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  •  Perhaps we should look to Occam's Razor. (10+ / 0-)


    Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he can rob the world. Save the lives of the people. Nationalize the banks.

    by Pluto on Sat Dec 03, 2011 at 06:34:50 PM PST

    •  Are you honestly saying that you believe that Al (2+ / 0-)
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      Franken is voting to make money? Or has been bought?

      •  As Ludwig Wittgenstein pointed out: (12+ / 0-)
        The procedure of induction consists in accepting as true the simplest law that can be reconciled with our experiences.

        Our experiences are that those in the Senate who betray the wellbeing of the American people in order to benefit Our Corporate Overlords -- do so because they valuable considerations to do so.

        I like to keep it simple and go with the prevailing pattern.

        Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he can rob the world. Save the lives of the people. Nationalize the banks.

        by Pluto on Sat Dec 03, 2011 at 07:35:47 PM PST

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      •  It's a Citizens United world, Little. (10+ / 0-)

        The GOP spent $2M on Norm Coleman four years ago... just to cover the legal expenses of his recount.  The 2008 Senate campaign cost Franken upwards of $15M.  Senate campaign costs before Citizens were doubling every six years.  God knows how much more they're going to cost after Citizens.

        So, if Al Franken wants to be a two-term senator, he may have to spend more than $30M in 2014, perhaps a lot more.

        If Al Franken doesn't get money from corporate Hollywood, Al Franken doesn't win.  Does this mean he's "bought"?  Yes, it does, but only because the post-Citizens electoral system is thoroughly corrupted by unaccountable, uncapped cash.  If Al had spoken out against and worked against this bill, we would know he wanted to terminate his senatorial career.

        I still don't think we fully understood how dangerous Citizens United will be to our electoral process.  But we're about to get a lesson.

        "And now we know that government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob." -- FDR

        by Mogolori on Sat Dec 03, 2011 at 08:05:21 PM PST

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        •  Right on. (3+ / 0-)

          We can't kneecap our electeds who are just trying to stay elected. We have to change the system. Then we can keep people in office who couldn't go against the system before we changed it.

          We do that by electing two more Democratic presidents and keeping it at least close in the Senate.

          Patience, folks. It's the long game. The Repubs have spent 40 years getting us to this point, and we are ready to throw in the towel after 3.

          Corruption is what keeps us safe and warm. Corruption is why we win. -Syriana

          by CarbonFiberBoy on Sat Dec 03, 2011 at 08:58:40 PM PST

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        •  Yes. (1+ / 0-)
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          I have never understood how progressives think Democrats can get elected without corporate funds. Are they to turn down all money that stinks of anything unholy? In which case, they are left with individual donations to survive on up against millions in GOP money.

          These are not rhetorical questions, I'm really interested in if and how progressives think Democrats could do without corporate donations in this time of Citizens United.

          I abhor this system as much as anyone, and frankly don't understand why public financing isn't THE NUMBER ONE Democratic fight---Oh, wait, if it were there'd be no corporate contributions and there you have the vicious cycle our reps are trapped in.  

          This is why I wish OWS would make public financing of elections it's number one message.  Wish they would land on it and sit on it like they have the 99% vs. 1% message. IMO they are in a position to do that better than any other group right now, precisely because they have disallowed themselves to be co-opted by partisan forces and have a good chance to make this message as non partisan as they have the 99% message.    

          Although public financing won't solve everything---see Britain--- It would go a longer way to solving them than almost any other single act, including making Citizens United irrelevant without having to repeal it.  

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