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  •  they Might be citizens (0+ / 0-)

    that is the matter up for dispute. It is quite probably that the majority of them are NOT citizens, based on the analysis so far.

    •  I believe our justice system works (5+ / 0-)

      as "innocent until proven guilty."

      You seem to want to assume they are guilty of being noncitizen voters and make them prove they are innocent. We don't even have any evidence yet that any of those who were not eligible actually voted.

      In my state at least you don't have to prove your citizenship; you just have to attest it. The default assumption is you are telling the truth when you register to vote. And you certainly don't have to go back and re-demonstrate it when you already attested it the first time.

      Again ... there is literally no evidence that any damage has occurred from potential noncitizens voting. Thus there is no reason to strip current citizens of their right to vote.

      •  this isn't a court of law (0+ / 0-)

        and no one is being charged with a crime.

        There is apparently some evidence that they do not belong on the voter rolls that generates the letter. I wonder what they're using to make that decision.

        Even then they do not decide that the person is ineligible. They send them a letter and ask that they correct the error if one has been made.

        I do agree that there is no reason to strip citizens from the voter rolls.

        Do you agree that there is good reason to strip non-citizens from the voter rolls?

        •  In any large administrative database (5+ / 0-)

          there are going to be errors. That is just a fact of life.

          Voting is a fundamental right in our democracy. I would much rather err on the side of allowing people to vote who shouldn't be, than remove people's right who ought to be on there.

          I would love to see the actual voting rates of noncitizens. I bet there are very few who do it; these are legal immigrants who may want to become citizens one day and they likely don't want to do something that could cost them the chance to become a citizen, particularly when the thing they are doing (voting) doesn't even provide any direct benefit anyway. It isn't worth it to me to remove actual citizens to get the tiny gain of chipping off a few ineligibles.

          The supposed concern about noncitizen voting is much ado about nothing and is a coverup for their true goal, reducing the number of Democrats on the voting rolls.

          •  yep (0+ / 0-)

            there will be errors.

            you said...

            "Again ... there is literally no evidence that any damage has occurred from potential noncitizens voting."

            Would that also mean that there will be no evidence that any damage has occurred from actual citizens kept from voting?

            If a few too many ballots is OK, then aren't a few too few also OK? Personally i think both are equally bad.

            The best solution ongoing is to be a bit more careful who we register in the first place. Then purging of lists won't be an issue.

            •  If a citizen is kept from voting (5+ / 0-)

              erroneously because of a voter records purge, that is "damage" in my view.

              And honestly, I think we should let legal immigrants vote as well, not to mention felons, so I'm not going to weep too much if a few of them do.

            •  You mindset, that it's better that those (4+ / 0-)

              who have the right to vote be prevented from doing so than that those who don't have the right to vote do so is the rightwing mindset.  It is not the mindset of this website, so I fail to understand what you're doing here.

              Everyone has been incredibly polite to you in responding to your rightwing mindset.  However, please notice you're not bringing anyone around to your way of thinking.  That's because it belongs on Redstate.  I think you'd feel much more at home there.  Unless you're here simply because you like throwing  out empty and silly arguments, attempting to make them sound as though they're serious.  Or unless you enjoy making it clear you have no idea what life is like for so many real Americans.  (Rmoney, is that you???)

              "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

              by gustynpip on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 12:15:24 PM PDT

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              •  Geez, I waited long enough for that!! (0+ / 0-)

                And check his profile.  I'm always afraid to be the first to mention red state, because I don't trust my judgement yet in regard to troll or pseudo troll I'd.

                Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

                by Smoh on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 04:05:04 PM PDT

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    •  Quite probable? (2+ / 0-)
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      What is your evidence for that claim?

      “What’s the use of having developed a science well enough to make predictions if, in the end, all we’re willing to do is stand around and wait for them to come true?” - Sherwood Rowland

      by jrooth on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 11:08:27 AM PDT

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    •  So once again the 24% error rate is (1+ / 0-)
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      acceptableis acceptable?!  That is just plain bizarre.

      Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

      by Smoh on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 12:10:52 PM PDT

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