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    My late 80's mother, an Obama supporter but does in fact vote for the person rather than the party, listens to talk radio and does a pretty good job of identifying the BS watched the debate in its entirety and her reaction is probably typical of many in her demographic.
    Her verdict?  Obama lost the debate.  Not Romney won the debate because she felt he came across as sleazy and pretentious.  She was tremendously upset by the way Romney treated Jim Lehrer but she thought that his message was by far the more effective of the 2 candidates.
    She doesn't closely follow politics but she believed Romney when he talked about his tax cuts (or lack thereof), she came away with the impression that he decided that he could support Obamacare, she was appalled that he talked up his voucher program for medicare but is relieved that the 2 candidates agree on Social Security.  Basically she got the impression that Willard is a pretty moderate candidate.
    She told me that Obama doesn't seem to be who she thought he was, she doesn't distrust him but she thought his failure to defend or rebut Romney on the points where she knew they differed was unpresidential.  He didn't act like the man in charge.
    So yes she's still voting for Obama but she doesn't see the vast differences between the two.  The important thing is that she is convinced that Obama lost and she feels comfortable that whoever wins in November we'll be OK.
    This is an actual result from the debate.  It isn't who said what, it's who HEARD what that matters.

    •  What actually matters is her vote, (3+ / 0-)
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      hungrycoyote, KiB, Troubadour

      which she said is still for Obama, in spite of not seeing vast differences between the candidates.

      Why hasn't she switched sides or decided to sit it out?

      Until the economy recovers, I'll settle for cheap laughs

      by Clyde the Cat on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 10:23:51 AM PDT

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      •  Ultimately yes (1+ / 0-)
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        The point of the debate though is to go in front of 60 or 70 million people and make the case for why you should be president.  Yes, my mother will vote for Obama because that was her decision prior to the debate and she'll stick with it.  Inside her circle of friends are people who hadn't decided or were kind of soft.  She's not certain what they'll do but the chit-chat between them was that Romney didn't appear to be the conservative whack-job that they had thought he was and Obama looked out of place.  I don't know how they'll vote but they were far from sold on Obama.

    •  Thank you for posting that. It is the perfect (2+ / 0-)
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      KiB, KathyinSC

      example of what is going on here. It's pointless to spend time arguing over who won the debate. It's the aftermath that matters. Did Romney sway any one to vote for him that was going to vote for President Obama?

      The description of your mother's reaction was exactly what Romney was probably going for when he told so many lies. He wanted people to think that he was a reasonable man.

      “Mitt Romney is the only person in America who looked at the way this Congress is behaving and said, ‘I want the brains behind THAT operation.’ ” — Tom Perriello

      by hungrycoyote on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 10:38:15 AM PDT

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