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    sunbro, NonnyO

    I admit I haven't read the entire Bible myself (not a Christian either but it's still an important work of literature and I like to at least be knowledgeable). I have read the Constitution in full but not enough to perfectly memorize it.

    But I at least recognize the limits of my own knowledge.

    There are millions of people who haven't read these documents but still think they know the contents. Their pastor, or talk radio, or televised talking heads...this is where they get their information. Second or third-hand sources, or possibly worse.

    It's one big telephone game.

    •  I have read the Bible... twice... (2+ / 0-)
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      JosephK74, mmacdDE

      ... cover-to-cover, but during the second read-through I skipped most of Numbers; the begats drove me nuts.

      The first time I started reading it I was 14/15 and in confirmation class and the minister lied to me about "why" Lutherans allegedly prohibited dancing.  I pestered the minister long enough with my "why" question he snapped: "Because they didn't dance in the Bible!"

      The Ten Commandments movie had come out not long before that and we'd seen it as a lyceum program at the local movie theater during school hours.  That had dancing in it, and I'd seen some kind of TV interview where the director or producer talked about some kind of 'historical accuracy based on the Bible' for the movie.  Hmmmm....

      I started out a chapter a night, sometimes more if the chapters were short.  I got to "Then Miriam, sister of Aaron, with her ladies took up their timbrels and danced..."  I pointed that out to the minister the next Sat. for confirmation class..., and if looks could kill, I wouldn't be writing this.  A little chit of an adolescent girl pointed out the minister had lied...!  Uff da!

      Note:  Altho we had to memorize select verses for confirmation class, I did not memorize whole sections of the Bible or various verses.  Both times I read the Bible like any other book, like it had a story to tell.  When the fundies start talking about "the Bible says" I have no idea what the hell book they are quoting - likely only the minister or some other numbskull who lied to them - but it's not the same book I read.  [I still enjoy the Book of Ruth for its romanticism and the erotic poetry of Song of Solomon and a few poems in Proverbs.]

      The upshot?  It took another 25-30 years of reading history, archaeology, and the like, but then I became an atheist (the final turning point was reading When God Was A Woman by Merlin Stone, then reading the books she listed in her bibliography at the end of the book, and so on).  I believe deities were created by humans to explain the universe as they knew it (pre-and-post Xianity, probably starting with the matriarchal religions of the Paleolithic era ca 35,000 years ago), and while they come up with morality tales and such, I do not believe there is any supreme being; that was a useful tool used by ancient control-freaks to get their family and/or clan members to obey dictatorial edicts.  If there is a supreme deity, I want to talk to this being face-to-face.  I have a problem with the concept of a supreme being's infliction of harm on innocents without rhyme or reason and none of the human explanations make sense.

      That's my journey through the religious world.  Others should take their own journey because I don't want to impose my kind of journey on anyone else.
      Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
      Then he is not omnipotent.
      Is he able, but not willing?
      Then he is malevolent.
      Is he both able and willing?
      Then whence cometh evil?
      Is he neither able nor willing?
      Then why call him God?
        -- Epicurus, Greek philosopher, 341-270 BCE
      Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.
       -- Seneca the Younger (ca. 4 BCE – 65 ACE)
      I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.
       -- Susan B. Anthony
      You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
       -- Anne Lamott
      BTW, TacoPie, recognizing the limits of one's own intelligence shows you are an intelligent person.  Ignorance only means 'unlearned or untaught.'  It does not imply a refusal to learn (which I deem stupidity, aka willful ignorance).  There are libraries of knowledge I'll never have time to discover because now I'm an old person but I have the largest private library of books of anyone I know because for 61 years (since first grade) I've been an insatiable reader and do "full immersion" learning when I undertake finding out about a new and fascinating topic.  Still, I freely admit my ignorance..., or share my knowledge when I can do so.  It just depends on the circumstances.

      The cure for ignorance is knowledge.

      I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

      by NonnyO on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 04:45:43 PM PDT

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