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  •  No a gun is a tool (5+ / 0-)

    Lots of tools are dangerous and require training to use safely. Responsible gun owners treat them like they would chainsaws or a table saw, or a cable attached to a stump you are trying to pull with a lot of respect and not a little fear of it breaking and causing injury.

    Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

    by rktect on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 05:39:36 AM PDT

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    •  You are playing gun morph. A gun is a gun. (2+ / 0-)
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      It is not a car or a baseball bat or a knife or a shot of insulin or a tool.

      It. is. a. gun.

      The right to keep and bear arms is called out in the Constitution.

      If a gun was a tool, it would be regulated and we would not be having this discussion.

      PS - there is product liability for chainsaws and table saws.  There is no product liability for guns.

      guns are fun v. hey buddy, watch what you are doing -- which side are you on?

      by 88kathy on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 05:51:24 AM PDT

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      •  A gun is a gun doesn't come close (4+ / 0-)
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        A nailgun is a springloaded tool used for framing
        an air gun fires compressed air at 150 PSI
        a spudgun is a compressed air canon used for launching potatoes
        a hilti gun uses a single shot clip fed explosive in a cartridge cartridge to fire a fastener into a steel beam
        a spray gun uses compressed air to fire paint or other liquids to include abrasives in the case of sandblasting onto a surface
        a soldering gun uses electricity to melt metal onto a surface
        A caulking gun is used to place caulking in a joint

        If I wanted to make an exhaustive list of all the guns which are tools used as weapons to inflict damage on humans in movies probably either the nailgun or the spray gun used for sandblasting would give me the biggest cringe.

        The use of many of the above tool guns isregulated. To operate a Hilti gun you take a course and receive a license.

        Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

        by rktect on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 10:37:04 AM PDT

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        •  You are playing gun morph. It is a common way (1+ / 0-)
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          to deflect gun regulation discussions. And no I won't bite.

          You guys always use the same old stuff. It doesn't work any more.

          I remember this time a homicidal maniac beheaded 20 kindergartners in 5 minutes. That was with an AR15. And it was 12/14. But you want to talk about old men in the country and other tinsel town fantasies.

          Good grief.

          guns are fun v. hey buddy, watch what you are doing -- which side are you on?

          by 88kathy on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 11:08:15 AM PDT

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        •  Not true as a matter of law. (0+ / 0-)

          I can go to the Hilti store right now and buy one.

          Now,  to use it on a jobsite,  I might have to take a class,  but that's a requirement of the customer or the general contractor, not a law.

          And the classes can be pretty funny... I've heard of one where they left the class for 10 minutes with an unloaded powder actuated tool, and anyone who didn't pick it up and point it at their head passed.

          --Shannon

          "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." -- Emiliano Zapata Salazar
          "Dissent is patriotic. Blind obedience is treason." --me

          by Leftie Gunner on Wed May 01, 2013 at 06:01:45 PM PDT

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      •  Fetishizing, much? n/t (3+ / 0-)
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        by PavePusher on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 02:04:47 PM PDT

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      •  "There is no product liability for guns." (5+ / 0-)

        Factually incorrect.

        Try again?

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        by PavePusher on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 02:35:38 PM PDT

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      •  Huh?! (6+ / 0-)
        If a gun was a tool, it would be regulated and we would not be having this discussion.
        Can you cite to some "tool regulation"?

        Screwdrivers?

        Axes?

        Hammers?

        Drills?

        Air compressors?

        Torque wrenches?

        Lathes?

        Milling machines?

        CAD/CAMs?

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        by PavePusher on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 02:37:54 PM PDT

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        •  A gun is a gun and not a tool. (0+ / 0-)

          guns are fun v. hey buddy, watch what you are doing -- which side are you on?

          by 88kathy on Wed May 01, 2013 at 06:42:28 AM PDT

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          •  So, that's a "No"..... (1+ / 0-)
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            Got it.

            Venn diagram.  A gun is a subset of the category "tool".

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            by PavePusher on Wed May 01, 2013 at 12:38:59 PM PDT

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            •  You can look where you want. A gun is a gun. (0+ / 0-)

              No tools, aren't regulated like guns should be because tools, aren't guns. No matter how much you want it to be guns are only guns.

              I made the mistake of saying, if (and that's a big IF) guns were tools, they would be regulated. And you all said oh yeah screw drivers aren't regulated.

              Cue the theme from the Lone Ranger. And once again the RkBAer possee is off to the races with half baked half ideas galloping through their mind.

              Talking to you all is exhausting.

              guns are fun v. hey buddy, watch what you are doing -- which side are you on?

              by 88kathy on Thu May 02, 2013 at 11:31:27 AM PDT

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    •  And responsible gun owners don't go around (1+ / 0-)
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      claiming that scary people are found in cities, either.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 07:33:18 AM PDT

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