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  •  Hong Kong is marching in support... (2+ / 0-)
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    ... of Snowden.  Short BBC video with the story.  One of the marchers had a sign with an altered pix of Obama that looks like the cover of an old paperback illustration with Big Brother depicted on the side of a building that said "Big Brother is watching You."  Another had a sign that said "Obama is checking your email."

    Link to 25 minute speech on the floor of the House by Rep. Alan Grayson.

    Unlimited access to all electronic communications domestic and foreign is illegal and unconstitutional.  Period.

    The Fourth Amendment is VERY specific and written very clearly with NO loopholes:

    Amendment IV
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
    [My bold.]

    Needing repealing in their entirety:
    AUMF (Congress abdicated their constitutional duties when they let the executive branch under Dumbya declare war since only Congress has the authority to declare war - or NOT - and authorize money to pay for two years of war)
    Patriot Act (we officially need ALL of our constitutional rights back!)
    MCA '06 (we officially need habeas corpus back!)
    FISA fiasco '08 (telecoms have legions of lawyers to tell them they can't spy on us without a proper warrant)
    MCA '09 (MCA '06 did NOT need to be "strengthened")

    All of those pieces of shite are illegal and unconstitutional, had/have expiration dates, and have been extended.

    Now, unless our "elected officials" plan on making us get used to being without our rights so they can then turn around and officially take our constitutional rights away permanently and rewrite our constitution, there is NO reason those temporary and illegal and unconstitutional laws should have been passed in the first place.  It just elevates common criminals to the status of big boogeymen they call 'ter'rists' and made the people who were already paranoid quiver at the thought of "someone bad" coming after them.  The truth of the matter is they have more to fear from drunk and inattentive drivers every time they leave their homes than they do from common criminals!!!

    Perspective.  We need some perspective!!!

    And if anyone is going to do any more polls, at least word the questions in a straightforward way so they can get a decent answer, not use push-polling to get the answers they want.  I seriously doubt most people want their private communications eavesdropped on if push comes to shove.

    I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

    by NonnyO on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 02:33:33 PM PDT

    •  I have noticed that people who complain of (2+ / 0-)
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      push polling don't seem to know what push polling is.

      In a push poll, large numbers of respondents are contacted, and little or no effort is made to collect and analyze response data. Instead, the push poll is a form of telemarketing-based propaganda and rumor mongering,
      Example: "Would you be more likely or less likely to vote for John McCain for president if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?"  (SC, 2000)

      All of the polls (and in fact this post) have made a great attempt to "collect and analyze response data", especially but not exclusively Pew.

      Which questions do you dislike?

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 02:46:51 PM PDT

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    •  Great speech by Alan Grayson (1+ / 0-)
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      He really is a good man.

      To your points:

      The AUMF is the original "sin".  It provides the context for a never ending "global war on terror" where the USA and it's citizens are regarded as enemy combatants.  It needs to end now.

      The Patriot Act is an abomination.  A slap in the face to the constitution.  It must be ended.  That includes NDAA, MCA.

      The FISA court is a joke.  The people should have a voice in who is on that court.  We should know when they get things wrong and there should be legal solutions to make amends when they get something wrong.

      "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

      by noofsh on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 03:54:16 PM PDT

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