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    •  Does your place of work have any policies on (5+ / 0-)

      posting personal things in the work place?  I'm asking because mine does, and I was under the impression most do.  Have you ever been asked to remove anything you've posted by an immediate supervisor or had complaints from co workers?  I'm just curious.  It seems to me you are walking on a fine line about what is appropriate in the work place.  And please don't misconstrue what I'm saying.  What you say do or post outside of work is fine.  It's just bringing these things into the work place tend to end badly.

      •  There are no rules about posting things. (12+ / 0-)

        Professors post cartoons and news stories and whatever else they like on their doors and office windows (if they have one)

        I have never been asked to remove anything by my Director (who visits semi-regularly) nor by anyone else.

        And my audience isn't captive like the students of the English professor who required Christian fiction as reading material or the Philosophy professor who pushed Christianity and called all other religions sham beliefs or the Government professor who rails against the "welfare state."

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        by nokkonwud on Wed Jul 24, 2013 at 01:00:54 PM PDT

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        •  This suprises me, to be honest. Is there nothing (5+ / 0-)

          that can't be posted?  Your Human Resource Dept. as never issued any policies on harassment and held classes/training?  I have a hard time believing that if someone posted something that another person found  racist, sexist, homophobic, etc...that no one would really care.  Unless we've been taught incorrectly, harassment is often in the eye (or ear) of the beholder.  It shocks me your HR Dept. is so unresponsive to todays world.

          •  I don't think he has a clue..........eom (1+ / 0-)
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          •  We have workshops on sexual harassment (4+ / 0-)

            Also, I don't see how one can compare that cartoon with homophobia or sexism or racism. It is, in fact, making fun of racism or, at the very least, pointing out the fact that racism is still alive and kicking.

            It is more than likely that academia is different from business and that higher education is different from public education.

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            by nokkonwud on Wed Jul 24, 2013 at 01:22:49 PM PDT

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            •  Well, I'm sure that academia is different from (3+ / 0-)

              business.  But that doesn't mean academia can ignore federal laws.  And while I agree with your interpretation, others may not.  And ultimately, that is what matters.  What is racist, sexist, homophobic, etc., to you or me is going to be different for others.  Thus, most HR Depts., to remove any doubt or confusion simply state "do not post personal opinion or political or religious or anything having to do with race, color, sex, creed, national origin, sexual orientation, or age or disability on public work spaces.  Again, it is shocking to hear that an HR Dept. would be so quiet on an issue that causes so may work place issues and law suits.  

              •  I have worked in business and academia. (3+ / 0-)
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                I worked at the University of Chicago for 10 years, and would never have posted in my cube either of the cartoons you have displayed.

                People at the U of C were, in my experience, generally far more liberal than in the business world.  They were, however, very sensitive about display of items that would offend coworkers.

                At one pharma company where I worked, a coworker was asked by management to take down from his cube, a picture of a lady in a bikini.  This was not pornography, and no "erogenous zones" were exposed, but it was regarded as something that some people would find offensive.  I'm sure the person who put up the photo saw nothing wrong with it.  I suppose if that had been nokkonwud, he would have then posted a more revealing photo, just to stick a thumb in management's eye.

                It is better to err on ths side of caution in the workplace, than to offend coworkers, or worse, clients.

          •  holy crap. What about a work environment trumps (2+ / 0-)
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            a person -- especially a teacher -- posting items to challenge students to think (or godforbid, LEARN)?

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            by BlackSheep1 on Wed Jul 24, 2013 at 05:01:20 PM PDT

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            •  The diarist is not a teacher (2+ / 0-)
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              He is a non-faculty staff member.  He says in his last paragraph that academic freedom does not apply to him (because of his job position).  Not to dissuade you from supporting him or his cartoon, it's just not precisely true that the diarist is a teacher.  

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              by Uncle Moji on Wed Jul 24, 2013 at 05:27:04 PM PDT

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              •  I am an office manager (1+ / 0-)
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                In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is freedom, in water there is bacteria. Ben Franklin

                by nokkonwud on Wed Jul 24, 2013 at 05:38:48 PM PDT

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                •  Yes, I guessed manager or assistant director (2+ / 0-)
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                  Good luck with whatever you decide, but be aware that there is job risk involved.  

                  Your assistant can complain that she (on her work time) was being involved in an ugly for her situation that was not work-related but was caused by your desire for self-expression. on a non work issue.

                  Your HR dept can sanction you for using institutionally owned work materials (window, paper, computer to download, internet connection, tape, assistant's time, your time) for non-work purposes.  My guess is that there is a section in your staff handbook that covers improper use of college or university property for personal use.  

                  That section is the lever than can get tripped and you written up.  

                  Choose to do whatever you wish, but don't believe that faculty academic freedom extends to staff.  It doesn't.  

                  I used to sarcastically describe the hierarchy in higher ed as:  Faculty, students, senior administrators, alums, office furniture, staff.  

                  Be careful.

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                  by Uncle Moji on Wed Jul 24, 2013 at 05:52:29 PM PDT

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            •  Hey--give it a shot. And after someone complains (0+ / 0-)

              and you tell your HR rep you were trying to challenge people to think, let me know how it works out for you.  Where I work (and assume most others work), posting items that co workers find offensive (regardless of whether I meant it to be or think it is), is a no no.  Now, I understand that a University may be different than a "normal" business, by I really doubt it is that much different.  If a worker feels offended by personal postings, more times than not they are coming down with a warning to the poster.  Everyone thinks differently.  And everyone has the right to expect to not be made to feel uncomfortable at work.  What if the person in the next window posted a picture of something you found offensive.  Say, something about abortion being murder.  Would you accept that person saying, "I'm just challenging students to think"?  I wouldn't accept that reason and hope you wouldn't either.  And before you say this isn't about that or this isn't that bad--it's all in the eye of the beholder as to what is offensive.  That's why HR rules usually prohibit everything.  That way no one can complain.

              •  that's just sad. I'm glad to be out of academia (1+ / 0-)
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                where, in my last for-pay post, I was threatened with "counseling from HR".

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                by BlackSheep1 on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 12:25:12 PM PDT

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        •  I have worked in academia in HR (3+ / 0-)
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          I would suggest that you revisit your staff Handbook about work behavior or work etiquette policies.  

          A professor has tenure and academic freedom and works for a Dean of Faculty or Provost or Academic Development, your work falls under a VP for Administration or some non-Faculty silo - the rules are different for staff than for faculty.  

          It is often easy in an academic environment, particularly if you work for faculty as a staff person, to believe that the same rules apply - it's a nice theory, but in practice, I have found that that is hardly true.  You have no promise of lifetime employment, you have no guarantee of academic freedom.  It's true, you may have a First Amendment right, but you are using work property to express it - the glass window belongs to the institution, not to you.

          I don't disagree that the professor sounds like an ass, but I would suggest that your ass is less protected than you seem to think it is.  It's easy to be brave when you think you can't be touched, another to do so when you realize that you have placed your livelihood on the table, and the game is rigged.

          "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of the United States of America -9.75 -6.87

          by Uncle Moji on Wed Jul 24, 2013 at 05:21:59 PM PDT

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          •  If it is decided I need to stop, (0+ / 0-)

            then I must be told:

            Nokkonwud, it is not acceptable for you to post political cartoons on your window.

            I then must comply or the next step is a verbal counseling, then a written reprimand and then I can be recommended for termination.

            I think I know the deal. I am also not doing this to be brave. It is just that some people are unaware.

            In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is freedom, in water there is bacteria. Ben Franklin

            by nokkonwud on Wed Jul 24, 2013 at 06:23:27 PM PDT

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        •  A relic of The Far Side, (1+ / 0-)
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          I suppose, when you couldn't walk down a hall in a college without seeing a dozen or more cartoons, sometimes on a single door.

          190 milliseconds....

          by Kingsmeg on Wed Jul 24, 2013 at 06:20:38 PM PDT

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    •  Now this one IS offensive (1+ / 0-)
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      The first one was a little boring.  This one manages to be both trite, superficial, and offensive.  Congrats!

    •  I'm voting for the original cartoon (2+ / 0-)
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      With the complaint note (names redacted).  It is a much more powerful message in its own way than the above cartoon, or any other you could find. It is the original message of the cartoon, of course; but enriched by the objection which is further thought provoking for those who choose to think. (not to mention, the little imp on my shoulder picturing his kid walking by and seeing it - and maybe mentally agreeing with the old man, or maybe grinning that the old coot didn't get his way for a change)

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      by Catte Nappe on Wed Jul 24, 2013 at 02:15:57 PM PDT

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    •  Amen brutha (1+ / 0-)
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      go for it.  Lets stimulate discussion in Academia.

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