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  •  I would never discount your experience, but (3+ / 0-)
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    the research is to the contrary. High-achieving, low-income students are much more likely to actually graduate from college when they attend a highly selective school than when they attend a less selective school. There are multiple reasons postulated and I don't have time to go into them, but there's a host of research arguing for the proposition that minorities and low-income students are very well advised to go to a more selective school, even if it's "no fun" to be surrounded by wealthier students.

    I'm sure there's a level of tokenism at which that's not true (just as there are individuals for whom it's not true), but that's not Yale, Princeton, etc.  I don't know enough about the Claremont schools to comment on where they fall on the tokenism spectrum.

    •  I can tell you that the presence of (1+ / 0-)
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      psychopathic preppies at Yale, full of the entitlement that they had been brought up on, was no fun no matter who you were, or how much money your parents made, unless you were one of the psychopaths. Not that all preppies were psychopaths. Most had much lesser problems. Some were nearly normal.

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 12:03:29 AM PST

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      •  I don't doubt it, having attended an elite school, (2+ / 0-)
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        but I'm afraid I don't see the relevance to my comment. I certainly don't see "fun" as the goal of a college education, though "misery" shouldn't be its main feature either.

        I'll repeat the point: in general, a high-achieving, low-income high school student is more likely to walk out with a degree from a selective college or university than from a non-selective one. Those who discourage such students from applying because they won't fit in or won't be as wealthy as their fellow students are not helping those students. For the benefit of feeling slightly more comfortable for a few years they are making them more likely to fail at the goal of achieving a college degree. If a degree isn't the goal, that's obviously a different kettle of fish.

        And psychopathy isn't limited to the rich. Many of the at-risk kids who would benefit from these outreach programs have seen plenty of it already, and many of them are better prepared to handle stress than their hothouse raised classmates.

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