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  •  Wailing Wall by the way is what non Jews call the (1+ / 0-)
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    Western Wall of the Temple Mount.  It is a disparaging antisemitic term used the denigrate the worship of the Jews at this spot.

    Please stop using it.

    •   What is the history of the term Wailing Wall? (0+ / 0-)

      It would be fascinating to learn more about this history.  Would you be willing to share your knowledge?

    •  You must be joking you think the term.. (19+ / 0-)

      'wailing wall' is antisemitic? Well gee being of Jewish heritage and descent I grew up calling it that.

      Am I anti-semitic too?

      You are so over the top you do more harm than good for Israel, you take real issues and blow them to absurdity making them less meaningful.

      You do a great disservice to the very people you think you are protecting.

      Join the DeRevolution: We are not trying to take the country, we are trying to take the country back. Get the money out of politics with public financed campaigns so 'Of the People, By the People and For the People' rings true again.

      by fToRrEeEsSt on Mon May 26, 2014 at 06:30:09 AM PDT

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      •  I don't like to throw around the term antisemitic (1+ / 0-)
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        because there is plenty of opportunity to use it properly. And I don't think "wailing wall" is an antisemitic term, though of course "Kotel" is the proper term.

        Unfortunately, many of the Jews here are virtually entirely ignorant of all aspects of Judaism except the most trivial cultural practices, like eating matzah ball soup or spinning dreidles. They believe that Judaism is just like Christianity except without the Jesus. They do not understand the heritage that made Jews are leaders the intellectual world, leaders in liberal ideals, or why the religion and race has survived the most concerted efforts to destroy it for 2,000+ years.  The religion, the race and the culture will most likely die with them. Hence, the outcome of the survival of Israel and the Jewish people does not matter to them and they can take the cavalier, two-dimensional attitude towards the State of Israel that you see in this diary and is shared by so many who have no skin in the game.

        "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

        by shmuelman on Mon May 26, 2014 at 09:11:28 AM PDT

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        •  Over using the word devalues it, if 'everything' (6+ / 0-)

          is antisemitic how do you make what truly is stand out. It paves the way for future true antisemitism to be taken less seriously.

          I am of Jewish heritage but I am an atheist, but I am also a rare book dealer and far far more knowledgeable of history than the average American. None the less I am no fan of Israel, not because I have anything against Jewish people, but because I have so much respect for them.

          The behavior of Israel to the Palestinian people sullies the history of the Jewish people. The most horribly treated people in the history of western civilization are given their own nation, and turn around and treat the indigenous people in a manner not much unlike they themselves were treated not many centuries ago.

          One day in the future these times will be looked back at in shame.

          Join the DeRevolution: We are not trying to take the country, we are trying to take the country back. Get the money out of politics with public financed campaigns so 'Of the People, By the People and For the People' rings true again.

          by fToRrEeEsSt on Mon May 26, 2014 at 09:30:41 AM PDT

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          •  I am no atheist, and I truly believe that if we (0+ / 0-)

            Jews are not righteous, we will not survive. That is how we have made it so long. It is a sad situation, but the Israelis there have been under incredible pressure for 50 years. And though we may look back in shame, what do you think the solution is? Disappearing? Make believe that there really are not heavily armed groups bent Israel's destruction? The Palestinians have not come up with a leader like David Ben Gurion. They are fractured and fragmented like we see in all the countries in the Middle East, that stay together strictly through strongmen like Saddam, Khaddafi, Bashar al-Assad, etc. etc.

            As far as I am concerned, when the Palestinians get their own homeland (I am sure it will happen eventually), the first thing they will do is have a civil war. There are too many parties, Palestinian and Arab, that have no vested interest in peace. Too many Islamists, radicals of every type, people wholly dedicated to Jihad against Israel.

            "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

            by shmuelman on Mon May 26, 2014 at 11:36:58 AM PDT

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          •  maybe I didn't read carefully enough, but (0+ / 0-)

            I don't think that the comment to which you were responding said anything was anti-semitic.  So if there was any watering-down of the term, it wasn't in that comment.

            Hill? What hill? No one said there was going to be a hill . . . . Was there a sign?

            by Jersey Jon on Tue May 27, 2014 at 08:43:29 AM PDT

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    •  Congratulations! (6+ / 0-)

      "Tackle", you have successfully contributed to the watering down of the meaning of 'antisemitic'.  By the time my kid in in high school, 'antisemite' will mean "person who doesn't unthinkingly agree with every ultra-right wing Israeli trope."

      Because, that "Tackle" is the only thing you're going to accomplish with your inane attempts to police language.

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