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  •  We can agree to disagree (1+ / 0-)
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    neroden

    First of all there is such a thing as an oligarchy--in fact there almost always is in any society including ours. Elites are there and if you look at the data you will see where the money is flowing and if you look at recent books on the subject you will see why and how that was accomplished starting around 1978.

    There is an "elite" conspiracy in the MSM in a sense. You get with the program or there are hundreds behind waiting to be part of the group--this seems pretty straightforward and I don't have time to argue about it. But the range of opinion and what is called "fact" is relatively narrow in this country. For example, during the lead-up to the Iraq War government pronouncements were taken at face value while experts like Scott Ritter were deliberately excluded from the MSM.

    Also, data show that public opinion, fickle though it is very far to the left of what you think it is and what the mainstream says it is--this has often been brought out on DKOS, btw. People were, for example, fairly open to the single-payer and other progressive options and most people are not interested in tax cuts for the wealthy. I think that the basic progressive agenda as articulated on this site is, in my view, not far away from what most voters could agree with if it weren't for wedge issues, tribalism, racism, homophobia and the endless confusion about everything that is the very specific agenda of the MSM and the political parties and their corporate sponsors.

    My point about supporting leftists, if you are a leftist, is that there power can be focused.

    As for your notion that the President is doing what he's meant to do, ok, American politicians are power-brokers not leaders. And our President is reflecting the real power relations in society. What I'm suggesting is that these relations can and should be changed by focusing solidarity and common action by the left. I don't think the current institutions are doing very much--so we disagree. I agree we should not throw him under the bus--it isn't his fault that we have not organized effectively--however his patrons are the financial elites and we must patronize others who can, in turn, negotiate for us.

    •  Polls, Kucinich (0+ / 0-)

      Didja ever notice all the polls that get reported on that are about how people characterize themselves (i.e., as liberal, moderate, or conservative)?  You never hear about what they actually think or what their positions are, just what word they use to describe themselves.

      As for Kucinich, he's just not that appealing a candidate.  If BHO had Kucinich's politics, he still would've won.

      The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

      by Panurge on Wed Apr 06, 2011 at 06:43:25 PM PDT

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