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  •  So.. what you're saying is.. (10+ / 0-)

    ... because of the obligations of the 14th amendment, Obama has to honor debt obligations first and foremost.

    Which might mean, to Republican optics, that the shutdown is exactly what they want.  The debt gets its payment and the rest of the government is drowned in the bathtub.

    If the world doesn't end after the 2nd the Tea Party might just use the lack of armageddon to claim that the government really isn't needed after all.

    •  the People still have the Power, Use it! (2+ / 0-)
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    •  if the shutdown will (2+ / 0-)
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      end Congress, sending all useless 535 of them home for good, as well as defund all our wars, it might almost be worth it for the government to implode

    •  Cut any discretionary Federal dollars (6+ / 0-)

      going to red districts.  Start at the reddest, teabaggiest one and work from there.

      They wanted this, they should get it.  Right between the eyes.

      I like lemurs -6.50, -4.82

      by roadbear on Fri Jul 29, 2011 at 09:54:23 AM PDT

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    •  For me the framework for understanding (1+ / 0-)
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      what the rethugs are attempting is provided by Klien's "Shock Doctrine."   The goal then is to gut government, sell public assets, and privatize, privatize, privatize.

      The Friedmanites are following the same playbook they used in South and Central American, South Africa, Poland, Russia. Now the last big push is the U. S.   In all of these cases, and others not listed, the toll in lives of the middle and lower classes fractures the imagination.  

      I've become convinced that we are entering the Crisis that marks the beginning of  "The Fourth Turning" see Lee and Strauss.

      "The Fourth Turning" describes the nature of the event and "Shock Doctrine" describes the means.   And for those of you who might be progressive theologians you could add Walter Wink's "Engaging the Powers."

      You Never Get the Problem You Can Handle

      by gc10 on Fri Jul 29, 2011 at 02:57:08 PM PDT

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      •  Yes, this is clearly Shock Doctrine stuff (0+ / 0-)

        right out of the book. A manufactured crisis. And involving SS in the deficit, a wholly separate taxed-based system of it's own is clear obfuscation of gigantic proportions.

        We would be so lucky to have a government of discretionary spending as sound as SS (25+ years before a problem? Instead of every 9 months? No Wonder they raid the SS fund.....

        Without geometry, life is pointless. And blues harmonica players suck.

        by blindcynic on Fri Jul 29, 2011 at 04:26:16 PM PDT

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