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  •  Careful, Ed Schultz will yell at you... (1+ / 0-)
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    I think he's sweet on Contessa...

    "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

    by leftykook on Fri Jul 29, 2011 at 11:44:49 AM PDT

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    •  Do yourself a favor (1+ / 0-)
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      and view some YouTube of Frank Reynolds.  I truly believe he was the last hard-news man around.  Jennings was close; Brokaw was a pretender.  No one around now.  Even KO is part of the entertainment portion of news journalism.

      President Barack Obama; I helped make this happen!

      by PittsburghPete on Fri Jul 29, 2011 at 12:10:37 PM PDT

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      •  Um . . . (3+ / 0-)
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        ever heard of Rachel Maddow?

        Granted, she's not a news man, but I am guessing the gender portion of your reference was merely a poor choice of words rather than an indication you were actually trying to limit the discussion to men. Seeing as how this started out being about Andrea Mitchell and Contessa Brewer.

        "These are not candidates. These are the empty stand-ins for lobbyists' policies to be legislated later." - Chimpy, 9/24/10

        by NWTerriD on Fri Jul 29, 2011 at 12:24:56 PM PDT

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        •  well, I agree and disagree. Rachel wouldn't (0+ / 0-)

          deny that she presents a specific point of view (one I happen to agree with).  So she is biased, no doubt -- openly biased.  You know what you're getting.
          OTOH, she doesn't make stuff up.  She may emphasize certain facts over others, or present the set of numbers she thinks make the case better, but it's not mis-reporting of facts or events.  
          So PittsburghPete has a point that there don't seem to be any people doing news who really strive for objectivity the way Walter Cronkite did (and the way I learned when I took journalism classes in high school).
          But there are people who are more accurate and careful than others.  Rachel falls into that category.  And she's my personal favorite.

          If, in our efforts to win, we become as dishonest as our opponents on the right, we don't deserve to triumph.

          by Tamar on Fri Jul 29, 2011 at 12:38:24 PM PDT

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        •  Rachel's not hard news, (2+ / 0-)
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          she is more of a policy tutor.

          •  Rachel the tutor (0+ / 0-)

            That's what makes The Rachel Maddow Show attractive, at least to me, her effort to educate her audience.  (Lawrence O'Donnell does that to some extent as well, IMO).

            What's sad is that in light of both Barack Obama and Joseph Biden having been adjunct professors of constitutional law (check the Biden entry in wikipedia), they have largely failed to make use of "the splendid lectern" that Theodore Roosevelt referred to as "the bully lectern."  (Modern Repubs, not to mention the teabagging Christianists don't understand that the word "bully" as used by TR a century or so ago doesn't mean the same thing today).

            Sometimes, the "students" didn't hear the lecture or maybe even missed that particular class, so the lesson has to be repeated several times.  That's one thing that Rachel does (and was criticized for, along with O'Donnell, in some comments a day or so ago to another recent diary) so well, and Obama/Biden often do not even try to do.

      •  Brokaw and "the greatest generation"? (0+ / 0-)

        Is he the would-be historian and chronicler whose grasp of the not particularly long sweep of U.S. history ( from the firefights at Lexington and Concord and the birth of the U.S. Army in 1775 'til now is only 236 years) led him to mistakenly call the WWII vets "the greatest generation"?

        Yes, they were a great generation, who thanks to the post-war GI Bill, became a mainstay of the middle class.  (But with time as well as three decades of Repub machinations, the middle class is dwindling).

        But what Brokaw overlooked is the REAL greatest generation, the Founding Fathers and the framers of the Constitution.  (If my recall of U.S. history is correct, the two groups were not 100% identical).

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