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  •  I think progressives could learn a LOT from the (11+ / 0-)

    conservative takeover of the Republican Party.  It was long, extended process that unfolded over decades.  We're not going to find a simple solution by simply challenging Obama in the primary.  

    If I was willing to believe in the "system" any more, I'd be modeling exactly what the conservatives did back in the 70's and build an infrastructure that moved the Republicans hard right and effectively subverted the government from within.

    I'm not sure I believe that is even possible against the entrench religio-political-plutocratic system we have now.  

    I don't have an answer.
    I feel hopeless.

    That's understandable when I realize that I can't feel my body.

    by prodigal on Sun Jul 31, 2011 at 05:31:28 AM PDT

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    •  i feel you. I think whatever happens is (6+ / 0-)

      going to happen.

      the "answer" may be to "allow" the teahadists to rule for as long as the public allows (which would likely be very short time).

      Look at Wisconsin.
      Look at Florida, Michigan, Ohio.

      Look what happened when the GOP got in and got control. People WOKE UP and suddenly the fight was ON.

      Look at very oppressive regimes like those in the Middle East who are experiencing their own "spring".  At some point, people get fed up. At some point, people are willing to die. We are the same as they. Our problem has been that the GOP's destructiveness has never really been unimpeded by democratic temperance and fully exposed to the average disengaged American. But we're just now starting to see how a teahadist government would look. In the latest survey 85%+ of people are saying they are "very engaged" or "engaged" in what's happening with this "debt ceiling debacle". We have never even had 85% of people VOTE.

      What I'm saying is, perhaps the "answer" is expose them (or let them expose themselves) in a very public way. when people are directly effected, when checks stop coming in, when you can't trust your water to be clean and the food in the grocery store is too expensive to eat, people revolt. Maybe it's time for this young nation to have its own revolution. Maybe the teahadists and complicit democrats will bring it about sooner than we think.

      chin up.

      prepare.

    •  The other problem is that "progressives" sure seem (0+ / 0-)

      to lack the "greed gene" and the killer instinct and the focus and tenacity that it takes to do like the Wrongs have done. EMOTION and empathy and all the squishy stuff that decent people tend to be made of are characteristics that disable those decent people from actively organizing and holding, let alone taking, any ground in the Greed Wars that are already joined.

      The lessons on organizing are right there to be seen, and isn't it interesting that LABOR UNIONS, made up of people who are not afraid of "doing what it takes" to level the playing field, should be the ones to teach others who are so squeamish about "violence" and "harsh language" how to stand up for themselves.

      Heaven forbid that one should recognize that there's a war on, and we middle-and-lower-end working stiffs are the soft targets these Koched-and-loaded bastards are shooting economic Hellfires at, from their little bunkers in Palm Springs and Vail and wherever...

      "Is that all there is?" Peggy Lee.

      by jm214 on Sun Jul 31, 2011 at 07:54:56 AM PDT

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