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  •  But according to many here, (17+ / 0-)

    all Obama needed to do all along was "get tough". These Republicans would be all tied up, if only Harry Truman were president. Or Paul Krugman. The reality is that the GOP is threatening to bring down the country if they don't get their way, and President Obama is the person that we have entrusted with defending our country. And he's working his ass off 24/7 to get that done while the GOP keeps its gun at our head. Obama did not elect these assholes - we, the American people, did. He should be pissed at us, and not the other way around.

    I'm in the I-fucking-love-this-guy wing of the Democratic Party!

    by doc2 on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 12:06:32 PM PDT

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    •  Completely agree with this (5+ / 0-)

      Unless people are talking about invoking the 14th amendment(and I dont know even if that is realistic), not sure the calls to fight or get tough really mean anything. I mean, beyond the 14th amendment, not sure what else Obama can do, when you have a group that controls the House that is so paranoid and distrustful of the president.

      •  He'd like to invoke the 14th. But a month (1+ / 0-)
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        ago, his own Justice Dept determined that he can't do that. If the DOJ has said that, I can't imagine our 5-4 Court is going to disagree with them.

        I'm in the I-fucking-love-this-guy wing of the Democratic Party!

        by doc2 on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 12:15:15 PM PDT

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        •  But it would take months to get to them (0+ / 0-)

          by which time, if the POTUS could catch a break anywhere at all, it might be largely moot.

          If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in the dark with a mosquito.

          by marykk on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 12:18:35 PM PDT

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          •  No, it would take minutes. (0+ / 0-)

            The GOP would immediately go to the Court for relief. And one Judge could provide it (or the whole Court would meet). Within hours, certainly less than a day, we'd have at least a temporary ruling.

            I'm in the I-fucking-love-this-guy wing of the Democratic Party!

            by doc2 on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 12:23:37 PM PDT

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        •  I had not heard he wanted to invoke the 14th. (0+ / 0-)

          I was under the assumption he hadnt proposed that at all.

          Link?

        •  As I've been saying, (0+ / 0-)

          he can invoke the Emergency Powers Act. In a national emergency the President can essentially take over all of the functions of government without resort to Congress until the emergency is resolved.

    •  Sorry. I don't quite agree... (3+ / 0-)
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      The President is part of the problem.
      1) He is the one that bent over backwards in the name of bi-partisanship. Time and time again he tried by giving more than he should have. All that did was encourage them to demand even more. He never learned that at some point you have to stop giving in. The United States does not negotiate with terrorists - why the hell is he negotiating with groups of congressmen that are nothing more than a howling mob?

      2) Why did he agree with the underlying meme that the country has a spending problem? That's bullshit and he knows it. But once again he was trying to be...? What?  Reasonable? Agreeable? Now he has said it so many times he has painted himself into a corner. We don't have a spending problem; WE HAVE A JOBS PROBLEM! And no one, including him, is doing anything about it. They are not even pretending to do anything about it. The only job congress cares about is their own. Including him.

      3) Is he now going to roll once again? Why are we seeing leaks about the White House possibly agreeing to triggers with no tax increases?

      At some point in the very near future someone is going to have to take drastic action. We are the strongest and richest country in the world. Everyone knows that sooner or later this situation is going to be resolved. It may take a while and it may cost a whole bunch of politicians their jobs on both sides. (Which would be fine with me.) The real target now is the 2012 election. And the objective has to be to hold on long enough to elect more Democrats.

      "Turns out, old folks may be cranky, they may not want you kids on their lawn, but they still want those kids to be taken care of when they are old." QAZPLM

      by hkorens on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 12:32:30 PM PDT

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