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  •  Based on his performance so far, I don't know how (5+ / 0-)

    anyone can get excited to work for or contribute to Obama's re-election campaign.  

    Vote for him, yes, because the Republicans are sure to nominate someone worse than him, but spend our valuable time and money on his campaign, no way.

    •  I'm (2+ / 0-)
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      profewalt, phillies

      voting 3rd party for president.

      No doubt about it.

      Flame away loyalists!

      •  Have fun repeating the last 11 years! (6+ / 0-)
      •  what third party do you have in mind? (5+ / 0-)

        The tea Party? the Green Party? the Libertarian Party? pray tell us so we can play too.

        •  Green (1+ / 0-)
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          Why the hell would I vote for the terrorists?

        •  It doesn't really make any ... (0+ / 0-)

          difference. A vote for either the Greens or the Libertarians tells the Democrats and Republicans that you cared enough to vote, but not for them!

          I suspect that most people who are disappointed in Obama will vote Green.

          •  So it is to be 2000 all over again? (0+ / 0-)

            the more things change the more they stay the same.

            Will be Supreme Courts come to the rescue again?  Will Obama be Gore redux, or will he fight?

            Probably neither of them wanted to be president that badly. We shall see!

            The main suspense now then is to see who the next Republican President is going to be? Romney.? He specialises in breaking up unprofitable companies and outsourcing the jobs? and no-one will be able to argue that America is broke!

            Bachmann? even America can't be that insane, can they? LOL, of course they can!

      •  Good Lord (7+ / 0-)

        I am so sick of people like yourself!  It is because of progressives throwing tantrums that we have the Congress we now have and are stuck in this mess!!!  Obama is not perfect, we get it, but are you really prepared for a President Bachmann?  Obama's hands are tied because of all of the tea party ass hats that America put in there.  These people are PSYCHOTIC and driving the car off of the cliff.  If you really think this is all Obama's fault you are nuts.

        •  That's a falsehood, which has been debunked time (9+ / 0-)

          and time again, here, in diary after diary and in other outlets, where the 2010 voting analysis has been done.

          Progressives did not lose the House.  Progressives turned out in their normal numbers for 2010.  It was other groups in Obama's "coalition" - mostly first time and occasional voters - who stayed at home.

          Why do you persist with this falsehood?

          I'm one of those lucky homos in a bi-national relationship - at the age of 49, all I had to do was give up my career, leave behind my dying father, my aging, diabetic mother, my family & friends and move to the Netherlands. Easy peasey!

          by aggieric on Sun Jul 31, 2011 at 10:49:39 AM PDT

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          •  2000 Happened because (0+ / 0-)

            Progressives threw tantrums at Al Gore of all people! Think how different things would be if they didn't fall for Nader's schtick back then!

            •  This is also a falsehood. (0+ / 0-)

              Nader did not cost Gore the loss of Florida.

              Why do YOU persist with THIS falsehood?

              I'm one of those lucky homos in a bi-national relationship - at the age of 49, all I had to do was give up my career, leave behind my dying father, my aging, diabetic mother, my family & friends and move to the Netherlands. Easy peasey!

              by aggieric on Sun Jul 31, 2011 at 10:59:40 PM PDT

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        •  Honestly, I gave that up. (1+ / 0-)
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          The whole voting for the lesser of two evils game.  I had my epiphany about 15 years ago, and I don't intend to look back on that decision.  Sadly, this looks like the strongest argument anyone can currently offer for the 2012 reelection campaign.

          In 2008, I voted for candidate Barack Obama because he delivered a message that I supported.  I also voted for down-ticket Democrats to help that message succeed.

          I am beyond underwhelmed - a definite sense of betrayal.  I know where I stand, what ideals I favor.  In the coming elections I will vote whoever I think best matches me.  I don't care if I'm in the minority - I am comfortable being true to my beliefs.  The rest of you can argue over which is the lesser evil.  The bigger question is, why aren't more people voting what they really want?  Instead they vote for the lesser of two evils, then bitch about how government doesn't really represent them.  Well... DUH.

          Maybe the best way to convince the tea party they are wrong is to let them learn the hard way.  Let them try their policies.  I'm certain they won't work.  When they don't, maybe voters will be more receptive to ideas that will.

        •  So much damage has been done over the (2+ / 0-)
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          past 30 years, it'll take at least that much to fix it.  If we give up in the first inning, we accomplish nothing.  Wait that's not true, we do accomplish something:  going backwards.  We've got to put our disappointments behind us and imagine what the Supreme Court would look like in thirty years if we don't fight.  Obama said something in his speech that I suspect is a big part of his thinking:  "The American people might have voted for divided government, but...yadayadayada."  Is it possible that he's right?  We have the Congress we have because the American people voted for it. Sad, but reality.  I think (and I had hoped) he could articulate the progressive position much better, use the bully pulpit much more wisely, but even then, he's screaming to the wind what with the noise machine they have at their disposal.  

          Got Social Security? Thank a Democrat!

          by Fury on Sun Jul 31, 2011 at 10:59:30 AM PDT

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        •  I am blaming the Teahadists and the Republicans (0+ / 0-)

          for caving to the Teabaggers .

          The Republicans have not distanced them from the Teahadists and they have unleashed them on all of us.

          So I blame Republicans 100 percent for all of this.

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