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  •  Poll them on the issues and they favor liberalism (14+ / 0-)

    1. Medicare for all
    2. Lift cap on Social Security payroll tax cap
    3. Higher taxes on the rich
    4. Deficit deal with increased revenue
    etc

    It is a shame that they don't feel comfortable self-identifying as liberals though.

    I guess we aren't as cool and "serious" as conservatives. /snark

    •  Doesn't matter (12+ / 0-)

      "Medicare for all" won't be on the ballot... individuals will be on the primary and ge ballots up and down the federal, state, and local offices.  

      "Benefits" always poll well. "the environment" likewise polls well.  It's when the cost side of the benefit equation is brought in that things get murky- unless you genercize those costs as being shouldered by "someone else"

      Full Disclosure: I am an unpaid shill for every paranoid delusion that lurks under your bed - but more than willing to cash any checks sent my way

      by zonk on Mon Aug 01, 2011 at 05:46:32 AM PDT

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      •  It is a bit of a shock (2+ / 0-)
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        when you understand that the hard right views liberals as parasites. Like Alan Simpson says sucking off the teat of government. It's still that same old meme of wealth redistribution..... ! Lazy people who don't contribute take money out of my pocket. They literally view welfare, or what we describe as social safety nets as theft.

        you just can not pretend like spitting in the face of some progress, because it is 'not enough ' is going to get you more progress

        by missliberties on Mon Aug 01, 2011 at 06:27:26 AM PDT

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    •  What makes you think it's about 'comfort.' (5+ / 0-)

      You write as if the people who hold those beliefs feel like they're liberals in their heart of hearts but are afraid to say so.

      That completely misses what's going on.  They don't feel like they're liberals.  They feel like they're actually conservatives.

      Art is the handmaid of human good.

      by joe from Lowell on Mon Aug 01, 2011 at 06:19:10 AM PDT

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      •  No one cares if they are liberals (1+ / 0-)
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        Maybe instead of focusing on labels...we should focus on agendas.

        What label would we assign to people who want the President to focus on jobs?  What label would they assign the President if he did that?

        The continued misreading of the true drivers of the lack of support for the Democratic agenda only serves to reinforce it.

        This is the reason.  Not labels.

        http://www.nytimes.com/...

        "But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower." - President Obama, 12-07-2010

        by justmy2 on Mon Aug 01, 2011 at 06:42:25 AM PDT

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        •  You're conflating many different things. (1+ / 0-)
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          Self-identification is different from policy preferences which is different from support for individual candidates which is different from party identification.

          You're just mushing them all together.

          The same agenda, the same set of policy preferences, can both seem appealing and unappealing to people based on how it is sold, and how they perceive the identity of the person selling it.  There are certainly other things to say about politics other than noting identities and how they work, but they are a distinct and important point on their own.

          Art is the handmaid of human good.

          by joe from Lowell on Mon Aug 01, 2011 at 07:00:13 AM PDT

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          •  Actually, I am not. (0+ / 0-)

            I am saying they are different.

            And I agree with your last paragraph.

            So maybe I misinterpreted you first comment.  

            I reread it and now I am not sure what you mean.  Can you clarify whether you believe the President's policies or assumed position of the left/right meter is the determining factor?

            "But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower." - President Obama, 12-07-2010

            by justmy2 on Mon Aug 01, 2011 at 07:14:53 AM PDT

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      •  Not true (1+ / 0-)
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        They just think it sounds nicer to say they are "conservative." I always identify myself as a "moderate' but I think if you looked at my positions, they would be branded as extremely liberal.

        Jennifer Brunner for Governor of Ohio 2014

        by anastasia p on Mon Aug 01, 2011 at 08:25:57 AM PDT

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    •  Depends on issues (1+ / 0-)
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      Poll them on global warming, evolution, gay marriage, flag burning, school prayer, a gas tax, and many other issues, you'll get vastly different numbers.

      This idea that it's really a liberal electorate that votes Tea Party because Democrats are too MOR, I think that's a complete fantasy, and shouldn't be part of any reality-based community.

      Explore "Brent's Brain" at http://www.brenthartinger.com

      by BrentHartinger on Mon Aug 01, 2011 at 07:06:27 AM PDT

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