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  •  To show you how meaningless (11+ / 0-)

    self-identification is, last year Gallup for that 29 percent of African Americans call themselves conservative while only 23 percent call themselves liberal.

    That's because most people don't think of those terms in the way we do: Conservative in their view may mean "traditional" or "religious." That's what many Latinos call themselves conservative.

    But of course a huge majority of blacks and Latinos are political liberals, especially on economic issues. But them that's true of all Americans. who overwhelmingly favor fair trade, progressive taxation, government provided health care, stronger regulation of Wall Street, an end to tax shelter for corporations, a crack down on outsourcing, etc. etc, etc.

    There might be reasonable reasons why Dems can sell liberalism, but the views of Americans isn't one of them.

    •  True enough. If that poll were acurate as a (3+ / 0-)
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      means of projecting political outcomes, Republicans would have been dominating Congress and would own the White House.

      That fact that they've done as well as they have over these last few decades has as much to do with the haplessness of the Democratic election apparatus. And that has as much to do with the Democratic Party trying to play more to the center then to its base.

      And if "Want to know why the President doesn't call you first?" is accurate, he can go fuck himself find votes somewhere else.

      I guess I'll have to thank DemFromCT for making that clear. And for helping undermine the Liberal identity a little more.

      •  well, i said in the post it wasn't good news (0+ / 0-)

        and I didn't like it. I also said it is what it is. You are making an artifical distinction between the center and the base. The base is more centered in this center-left party than we'd like.

        We are influential but a smaller group than we would prefer, and the way to maximize the influence is to play it like Nancy Pelosi does (and she;'s a master at it)... less whining, less demands, more strategic withhold, more awareness that those that consider themselves  moderates need a place at the table as well as us, since they often share the same goals.

        At no time have I ever suggested it's enjoyable.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Mon Aug 01, 2011 at 12:31:39 PM PDT

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    •  Favor it... (0+ / 0-)

      but doesn't it weigh in how they vote?  I say, all those issues you raised are not deal breakers or the republicans would never control any house or the presidency.

      I for one am tired of pandering to perpetrators --- many of whom are opposed to any discussion however it comes. -- soothsayer99 DPK Caucus

      by princss6 on Mon Aug 01, 2011 at 09:16:34 AM PDT

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