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  •  OK. Who DO you support? .... nt (0+ / 0-)

    Less "WAAAAH!", more progress.

    by IndyGlenn on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 06:59:13 AM PDT

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    •  The first step to fixing a problem (3+ / 0-)
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      Is admitting there is a problem. The first step is not, "Here is my solution." That is one of the latter steps. We are still trying to get people to admit there is a problem.

      •  "We have a problem" (0+ / 0-)

        should always be immediately followed by "and here's what I want to do about it."

        If you don't have a solution, or at least the start of one, most  people will ignore "we have a problem" as pointless complaining.

        If one does not like Pres. Obama as the Democratic candidate in 2012, one solution is to primary him. Another is to try and start a third party. Another is to stay at home and show everyone how mad you are.

        I think that the primary is preferred of those options. How abut you?

        Less "WAAAAH!", more progress.

        by IndyGlenn on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 10:43:13 AM PDT

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        •  Complaining is never pointless (0+ / 0-)

          We need to know what is wrong before we fix it. In real life, "we have a problem" is almost always followed by discussion, not an immediate solution. In fact, anyone who says "We have a problem and I know just how to fix it" is very suspicious in my book. Usually, someone like that has a hidden agenda. People who do not want to discuss a problem but jump straight to a solution usually care more about their solution than they do about the problem it purports to solve. At the very least, people like that are obviously very uncomfortable discussing the problem itself, usually because the problem causes them some sort of cognitive dissonance. People in the grips of cognitive dissonance do not think logically at all. Your insistence that we stop discussing the problem immediately makes me doubt your motivations.

          Let me point out that you have ignored the most obvious, first solution: contacting your representatives to let them know how you feel and what you would like them to address. That is not pointless complaining. That is how politics are supposed to work.

    •  At this time (0+ / 0-)

      certainly no one in the Democratic Party in Washington.  Perhaps there will be a state assembly candidate I can support.  

      Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

      by Big River Bandido on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 08:26:37 AM PDT

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      •  And how do we find, or create this candidate? nt (0+ / 0-)

        Less "WAAAAH!", more progress.

        by IndyGlenn on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 10:43:45 AM PDT

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        •  Listen to you (3+ / 0-)
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          You talk as though this is just some kind of messaging problem or PR campaign, that the progressive cure-all is merely finding the "perfect candidate".  We tried that in 2008;  as a consequence of that disaster, it will be a long time before even the faintest whiff of idealism is taken seriously in our politics.

          I will vote for candidates who act in the people's best longterm interests.  Cutting $2.5 trillion in government spending — the effects of which will fall disproportionately on the poorest and most vulnerable of our society — is the kind of amoral behavior we've come to expect from Republicans.  It's the August corollary to the December extension of the Bush tax cuts.  And yet, neither of those catastrophes could have happened without the cooperation of the Democrats.  

          Maybe you voted for that, but I didn't;  I find such behavior reprehensible.  If this is what we get when we elect Democrats, I can't see any point in bothering, and I'm not alone in that feeling.  That's a far more serious problem than just branding and imaging.

          Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

          by Big River Bandido on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 11:02:38 AM PDT

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          •  you talk as though you have a solution (1+ / 0-)
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            I will vote for candidates who act in the people's best longterm interests.
            Good, now how do you identify and elect such candidates?

             

            If this is what we get when we elect Democrats, I can't see any point in bothering, and I'm not alone in that feeling.
            Can't see any point in bothering with what, exactly? What is important enough for you to "bother with"?
            You talk as though this is just some kind of messaging problem or PR campaign, that the progressive cure-all is merely finding the "perfect candidate"
            No one candidate, even the "perfect one", will be able to solve shit by themselves. You want progress, you need quality AND numbers. In the Administration, in the Legislature, and in the Court. How do you get it?

            Less "WAAAAH!", more progress.

            by IndyGlenn on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 11:08:30 AM PDT

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