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    how else has the progressive movement been able to sustain itself aside from living within what is clearly now a moderate democratic party.  

    Give me a year when you could honestly say the democratic party was a party of progressives, if it's more than twenty years something is wrong?

    It's not personal it's just a description of the nature of the relationship recently.  

    Party politics require funding and if you agenda is being ignored yet you are still around because of funding, I mean come on.  

    The relationship is somewhat parasitic, it is.  It's not like I said progressives are parasites that hold the democratic party back, I don't even think that.  What better way could you describe it then.

    I'm not a fan of progressive politics but it's not like I dislike it either but there is no alternative provided from your current position.

    Who shot ya? Seperate the weak from the ob-solete Hard to creep them Brooklyn streets It's on ____, f**k all that bickering beef I can hear sweat trickling down your cheek

    by mim5677 on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 12:16:49 PM PDT

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    •  But mim, most of us are okay with the platform. (1+ / 0-)
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      It's ours.  We fought our asses off for it.

      Plus, there's no way Democrats win if the progressives walk away.  We've seen what happens then.

      Now I can see how centrists are discouraged by all of the bellyaching they hear coming from our side.  I'm even sympathetic to the idea, so prominently featured around here, that to centrists the complaints from the left and right sound indistinguishable.

      But it's hard for me to imagine a coalition the Democrats could put together that didn't include us.  Where would organized labor be?  Where would the woman's movement or civil rights or environmentalism stand?  Are you talking about the formation of a viable 3rd party or do you just want to get rid of us?  Because the way this whole coalition thing works is you've got to get into bed with someone. And if you cut us out, all you've got is corporate money, low-energy turnout, and a message that is almost indistinguishable from the Republicans.

      This party can still stand for something.  It would be a long road back from where we are, but it could get there.  The 08 election was a result of a lot of things coalescing, including Dean's 50-state strategy and the progressive dream of having the first African American president.  You don't get any of that in a Democratic party stripped of it's energy, it's dreamers, it's disaffected.  What you get, at best, is Blanche Lincoln.  And what you probably get is much worse, which is what we got when Nader (a personal hero of mine for many years before his candidacy) ran.

      •  Thank you, Bindle! (1+ / 0-)
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        For this sentence in particular:

        And if you cut us out, all you've got is corporate money, low-energy turnout, and a message that is almost indistinguishable from the Republicans.

        I found this diary to be insulting and demeaning to Progressives.

        I would add to that the Progressives have been the energy and the foot soldiers for the Democratic Party.  Our involvement in the party has been far greater than our numbers.  The hall marks of the Democratic Party: civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, and the social safety net were all a result of Progressives fighting for what is right.

        Moderates have benefitted, but when have the moderates ever pushed for ground breaking legislation that protects people and ensures equal rights for all of us?  If the progressives were not in the Democratic Party, what would the Democratic Party stand for?

        Now we Progressives are the one who are fighting to protect civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, and the social safety net as it is being compromised from wthin our own Democratic Party because we realize that if we do not protect them, we have lost the very foundation of the Democratic Party.  

        Now what was that about wanting us to leave the Democratic Party?

        The United States is not just losing its capacity to do great things. It's losing its soul.--Bob Herbert. gulfgal98's corollary- Our soul is gone.

        by gulfgal98 on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 02:59:08 PM PDT

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      •  I guess my question is (0+ / 0-)

        how do you see policy moving to the left over time?

        It's been moving right for a while now, the numbers in that poll  are serious at the very least.  

        If a party is majority moderate, how can you get it to move to the left.

        Who shot ya? Seperate the weak from the ob-solete Hard to creep them Brooklyn streets It's on ____, f**k all that bickering beef I can hear sweat trickling down your cheek

        by mim5677 on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 03:11:48 PM PDT

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