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  •  Thanks for the diary (19+ / 0-)

    and the explanation of why Patco supported Reagan. I never got that. I never got why anyone supported old Ronnie, "he named names" Reagan.  The guy sold out fellow workers in show biz.  No surprise he sold out the unions that supported him.

    I give the guy one thing....he could play the role of optimistic, Rah rah America guy and fooled a lot of people.  Still fools them.

    I have worked for years trying to convince people why unions matter.  Maybe NOW with the help of assh*le Scott Walker SOME people will wake up.  And maybe NOW with this FAA mess, some people will get a clue.

    I am stunned at how many people are clueless, too busy watching reality trash tv.

    •  Jjc2006, about this: (10+ / 0-)
      I am stunned at how many people are clueless

      Do you think it is because of a lack of being taught the history of unions & perhaps diverse lifestyles & geography?

      The reason I ask is that I was brought up in an insular society-the military.  Do not recall ever hearing about unions as I grew up until Jimmy Hoffa & the teamsters.

      Because of Hoffa & his later disappearance, I started "paying attention" & tried to learn more.

      However, I did not personally know of or was around anyone in a union until I was around 27 & thats with living in several states & countries behind me.

      I can honestly imagine generations not being aware enough if the history & purpose is not taught to them or if the environs they live in have no union presence.  

      Then the lack of knowledge or understanding leaves a void that can be filled in by whatever talking head with an agenda.....

       And that imagery is both sad & frightening.

      •  And when what little we were 'fed' by the media (2+ / 0-)
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        was thoroughly negative, a la Hoffa, et al, is it any wonder that we had a negative or at best, uninterested, attitude toward them?

        We now have the ability to educate, and as Jjc2006 says,

        Maybe NOW with the help of assh*le Scott Walker SOME people will wake up.
        The better we get at educating, the larger that "SOME" will be.

        Conservatism is a function of age - Rousseau
        I've been 19 longer'n you've been alive - me

        by watercarrier4diogenes on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 09:57:14 PM PDT

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      •  My father started a union when I was 11. (2+ / 0-)
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        i went from an army cot to a bed with a real box spring. Steel toed shoes, and uniforms delivered every week. Senority. No more going to the school clinics, watching everyone get eyedrops, or listening to the whimpering from the dentists' treatment room. My mother got dentures. My father got his "army" teeth fixed. Pension.

        President of the union as long as it was legal to elect him. He was a violent drunk, but we ate and got medical care.

        Later on, two brothers and my mother started a union at a very small company. They just walked out until the owner signed the contract. Having the right skills counts.

        Social Security is an INSURANCE PROGRAM. FICA FEDERAL INSURANCE CONTRIBUTIONS ADMINISTRATION.

        by CuriousBoston on Thu Aug 04, 2011 at 06:25:44 AM PDT

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      •  I was very aware how in social studies and (1+ / 0-)
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        American history how the 30's weren't covered.

        We were down to the end of the school term, so what was covered was WWI, the stock market crash & then a jump to WWII & then end of class.

        (I went through K-12 in the mid-50's to mid-60's).

        There was nothing said about political and union struggles during that period, or how people were drawn into the Communist party by the economic conditions of the day.

        I didn't know anything about the Spanish Civil war until someone recommended a good book on it after college.

        HylasBrook @62 - fiesty, fiery, and fierce

        by HylasBrook on Thu Aug 04, 2011 at 07:30:55 AM PDT

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        •  Same here, compounded, no doubt, by attending (1+ / 0-)
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          multiple schools.

          Surprisingly, my high school in Texas had a very good college prep track & several "enlightened" teachers that discussed the real time events happening.  Which helped a great deal as we witnessed our heroes being slain...

          That being said, I had to learn about the Korean War from my daddy (who was there).  Like you, history seemed to just stop at WWII....

          My now adult kiddos were stunned to find out what was not covered in my school years (until college).  Just as I was later stunned to discover how selective & oft times slanted the actual history that was taught to us.  Which really really ticked me off.

           On the other hand, it opened my eyes & created a lifelong desire to dig for truths & to make sure that my own kiddos received a well rounded education. AND to always dig for truths.

      •  I am sure that is a part of it. (0+ / 0-)

        But I grew up in the 1950s going to catholic school and our history classes never mentioned unions either.  And most of my friends who went to public schools did not really have big formal education about unions.  But we all had one thing in common....we heard our parents discuss unions.  Many of our parents were old enough to remember the fights in the streets that labor endured to come out of the depression.
        And most of them worshipped FDR.

        My father was a cop and at that time there was no such thing as organized police or firefighters.   But my father like most men remembered how labor was treated, remembered child labor, remembered sweat shops.  And they passed those things on.  

        I have passed much on too but I have seen many people even in my own pro union family turn away as soon as they "made it" financially.
        But because I chose to teach, I became involved with has ended up being one of the only effective unions left...teachers.  

    •  A lot of people who voted for Reagan were (3+ / 0-)
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      called 'Reagan democrats.'  They were union members, they were working class, but they were swayed by anger about civil rights - they felt blacks were given jobs that they should have gotten.

      They were angry about school busing, crime on the streets, etc.

      I wonder if we ever got the Reagan democrats back into the ranks of Democrats.

      The Reagan Democrats, are probably the age of the average tea-partier now.

      HylasBrook @62 - fiesty, fiery, and fierce

      by HylasBrook on Thu Aug 04, 2011 at 07:24:35 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, that was a percentage...... (0+ / 0-)

        some were upset because of the anti war movement too.  I was a young person in the sixties and seventies, and we, the ones that were anti war, were not particularly liked by older dems, many of whom happened to be in unions and frankly they had fought in either WWII or Korea.  
        They were my parents generation.....so while clearly some were anti civil rights, some were also anti hippie (who they saw as anti American for not supporting the war in Vietnam).
        You have to understand that many in that generation were not highly educated but rather were somewhat brainwashed to believe in the American, right or wrong.  Their heroes were the characters portrayed by Reagan and John Wayne, two men who never even fought in WWII.

        Anyway there were a lot of factors but I still blame a lot on the power and money that spun Reagan into office.

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