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    •  only on the fish (2+ / 0-)
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      and Republicans have found a pondful...

      "But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower." - President Obama, 12-07-2010

      by justmy2 on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 07:41:56 PM PDT

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      •  pond full (0+ / 0-)

        wtf iPhone?

        "But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower." - President Obama, 12-07-2010

        by justmy2 on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 07:42:24 PM PDT

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      •  He just admitted the GOP was bluffing all along, (4+ / 0-)

        as so many of us repeatedly tried to point out.

        (sigh)

        •  Here is the thing (4+ / 0-)

          McConnell and Boehner were not even actually bluffing.

          They said over and over for six months that they would pass a bill!!  But for some reason so many people didn't want to actually believe the words coming out of their mouth.  I didn't get it then, and I don't get it now.  

          Buchanan said last night the President fell for the tea party's bluff trying to antagonize Al Sharpton.  After he spent 4 weeks saying they weren't playing.  

          I am preaching to the choir.  But the first time they came at me with that nonsense, I would have basically told them...

          "We don't believe you, you need more people"...

          The entire thing was a tanker full of fail from the day they steppe back from the clean bill demand, one after they made it.  We all knew where it was headed then.  I just didn't imagine they wouldn't get ANYTHING!!...

          oh well...I reached the acceptance phase a long time ago...

          "But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower." - President Obama, 12-07-2010

          by justmy2 on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 07:52:10 PM PDT

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          •  I have a contact at the DNC staff... (1+ / 0-)
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            and basically I just kept asking him throughout the debate "Are the people in the White House really this stupid?" And his basic answer was that they just don't see the world they way we do. Their whole prism by which they look at that things are just divorced from outside perspectives. He was telling the White House is a bunker. You get in there and you just....change.

            All they look at is vote counts, and they never know where the numbers are. "So what do have to give up to get (4) votes? Whats it take to get (18) votes?" That's how they think.

            Mind boggling.

            •  Someone needs to give them an intervention (2+ / 0-)
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              Someone needs to read someone like Valerie Jarrett the riot act, or even Axelrod and maybe he will send the message.  Tell them to snap out of it!!!  Someone they really trust....

              But that power is intoxicating...not doubt about it...

              And it will take a loss for them to actually reflect, and then it will be too late...

              Watch this FAA thing....I would not be surprised if they actually give in.  Remember, LaHood is a Republican...which means Obama seems uninclined to even blame the GOP.

              Some of the worst politics I have seen in my lifetime, and we have 14 months to go...

              "But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower." - President Obama, 12-07-2010

              by justmy2 on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 08:05:00 PM PDT

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        •  indeed. I was already saying weeks ago that (3+ / 0-)
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          neither party leadership wants a default and neither party leadership will allow one to happen, and anything else is pure theater.

          There never was any real hostage. The Dem and Repug leadership doesn't want a default---the Baggers who DO want ti don't have enough votes to make it happen.

          We gave away the farm to bribe Repugs to vote for a debt limit increase that, in the end, they would have voted for anyway.  They have no choice.

          Alas, we missed a wonderful opportunity to ignite a bloody civil war within the Repug Party between the establishment Repug corporatists and the libertarian nutball Teabaggers.

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