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  •  Democrats voted against changing the filibuster (0+ / 0-)

    David Waldman was dissapointed and he worked hard on that. I was actually excited about that campaign, but that also speaks to my point.

    Pro Life??? Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers!- George Carlin

    by priceman on Thu Aug 04, 2011 at 10:47:40 AM PDT

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    •  The big problem with Democrats that I have (1+ / 0-)
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      is they responded to the racist backlash of the 70's/80's by becoming "fiscal" conservative to get back voters. And it wasn't just in the South. Do you remember the fight over school integration in Boston? Boston, the liberal bastion of the East fought against school segration harder than many places in the South. And lets not forget the "Reagan Democrats" who put the nails in the coffin of liberalism in this country. Remember them? Those weren't the party leadership that abandon the left, those were average Joe and Jane voters who elected Reagan in '80 and then in '84 in a landslide. The population claims they want "liberal policies" but when they step into those voting booths they vote for conservatives or neo-liberals more often than anyone here wants to admit. If you want leadership that ignores the will of the people that's fine, go for it, I won't try to stop you. But I want to change the will of the people. Though to be honest they're both probably fool's errands.

      Modern Conservatism isn't simply about them owning as much as possible; it's also about breaking anything they can't own.

      by ontheleftcoast on Thu Aug 04, 2011 at 10:59:10 AM PDT

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      •  I remember what happened in Boston (0+ / 0-)

        But there is not a direct correlation. Nixon used the Southern Strategy to get elected and held some bigoted views, but he wasn't fiscally conservative. Distorting the stagflation of the seventies intimidated some Democrats and starting with Carter who stupidly went with fiscal conservatism was not able to help the economy to coincide with the Volcker shock in order to get inflation under control.

        Because of that voters turned against Carter and nothing was going to save him. he lost that election before it begun by pursuing the same deficit stupidity Obama is pursuing now.

        It's always about the economy and who is in power. Always.

        That's why it does no service to excuse democrats who adopt neoliberal policies.

        Pro Life??? Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers!- George Carlin

        by priceman on Thu Aug 04, 2011 at 11:11:12 AM PDT

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        •  Nixon brought Milton Friedman (1+ / 0-)
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          to DC.  Just because a majority of voters in his time LIKED the New Deal and Congress was dominated by New Deal Democrats in positions of power doesn't mean that Nixon liked going along with them.  

          •  Milton Friedman called Nixon a communist (0+ / 0-)

            after his" We're all Keynesians Now" statement and he refused to go along with his Shock Treatment plan. All I meant was Nixon was not fiscally conservative but he did enact many Keynesian like policies, price controls etc. though many voters were supportive. You are right. I don't think we can say he was forced to do all of that, but you're right that having a New Deal Democratic Congress and coalition of voters as well as a Ralph Nader back then was essential in pressuring Nixon who crated the EPA among other things.

            Pro Life??? Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers!- George Carlin

            by priceman on Thu Aug 04, 2011 at 11:40:22 AM PDT

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            •  The burning river and Teddy Roosevelt (1+ / 0-)
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              within the GOP pantheon were motivators for the creation of the EPA.  But is it correct to say that Nixon created it?  Or was it somewhere between didn't object to its creation and thought it might be a good idea?

              •  It's actually correct to say Ralph Nader (1+ / 0-)
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                created it and pressured Nixon to implement it.

                Nader's crusaders raised hell until Nixon did though the movement was motivated by Teddy.

                Pro Life??? Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers!- George Carlin

                by priceman on Thu Aug 04, 2011 at 12:31:39 PM PDT

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