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  •  Nice all the Kossaks like Heinlein (0+ / 0-)

    as a sci fi writer

    He's just one step away from Ayn Rand in his politics

    But what do you expect of "progressives" who support Democrats who only do Teabagger bidding?

    •  I wanted to post a biting, ironic response (4+ / 0-)
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      But I can't stop laughing at your obsessive twittery.  Thank the Flying Spaghetti monster that you are your own comic relief.

      If your issue is still Democrat vs. Republican, you've been punked by the Oligarchy.

      by MrJayTee on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 04:08:16 PM PDT

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    •  O RLY? (3+ / 0-)
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      Do you mean the same Robert Heinlein that ran for Governor of California as a Socialist?

      I know this might be hard to grasp, but it is possible for someone to write a story with characters who believe "X," and the writer doesn't necessarily share the same opinion.

      Sircar's Corollary to Godwin's Law:

      • If an internet discussion involves Robert Heinlein or Starship Troopers, fascism, Nazis or Hitler will be mentioned within 3 days.
      •  Heinlein didn't run for gov (3+ / 0-)
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        He ran for a much lower office (and lost). But he did work hard for Sinclair's EPIC campaign.

        Heinlein has been accused of holding almost every political persuasion at one time of another, generally by liberals accusing him of not being liberal enough. Good for you for reminding us something true about Heinlein's politics.

        "Shared pain is pain lessened; shared joy is joy increased."--Spider Robinson

        by Maggie Pax on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 07:23:03 PM PDT

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        •  He became more conservative as he aged (2+ / 0-)
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          Oddly enough, that's when I stopped enjoying his books, beginning with Time Enough for Love....

          And no, I am not joking.  I still enjoy most of his work before Moon is a Harsh Mistress, and I can't stand most of what came after.

          •  And here we are today on dKos! (1+ / 0-)
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            I can't stomach really right-wingy stuff by any author and S/F has its share of conservative (warlike often) fiction and authors that cruise the libertarian side of politics. Part of that may be catering to a kind of adolescent breaking away lit.  I try hard not to let the politics of a story get in the road of a really good read.

            "Always remember this: They fight with money and we resist with time, and they’re going to run out of money before we run out of time." -Utah Philips

            by TerryDarc on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 01:12:25 PM PDT

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    •  What an insulting comment (4+ / 0-)
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      There are a range of responses to Mr Heinlein in this diary, some critical, some appreciative, some loathing, some adoring.  

      "All the Kossacks like Heinlein" is an untrue statement, a slur, an insult, and you can kindly go fuck yourself.

      "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

      by leftykook on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 05:34:41 PM PDT

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    •  Did You Read ANY of the Comments? (4+ / 0-)
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      I think you're mistaken about Heinlein and Rand being alike; but that's a matter of opinion.

      One of the reasons I chose this particular book to discuss was because it espouses a lot of ideas that the Tea Party pays lip service to.  Some of them have come up; more will in coming weeks; and I expect to have some lively discussion about them.

      There have been a number of comments on these diaries from Kossacks who detest Heinlein; and even those from his fans have also been aware of, and have addressed, Heinlein's flaws.

      If you have something substantial to add to the conversation, whether pro-Heinlein or anti-Heinlein, you're more than welcome to join in.  Heck, I'd be interested to see an analysis that compares the themes in this book to Obama's relation with the Tea Party if you can come up with one.

      In fact, I don't even mind if you insult Heinlein.  But please don't insult the people who have read and commented on my diary.

      "All the World's a Stage and Everyone's a Critic." -- Mervyn Alquist

      by quarkstomper on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 06:33:41 PM PDT

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    •  Are you Paul Verhoeven? (2+ / 0-)
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      Heinlein was all over the map politically in his lifetime as others have mentioned.

      His first manuscript For Us The Living posited in a positive way a Social Credit system.

      "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." -- George Bernard Shaw

      by Inspector Javert on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 02:04:39 PM PDT

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