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  •  I see little if any chance... (14+ / 0-)

    ...that this march will have the desired effect.

    For one thing, ANSWER is involved... and it shows in the march's agenda, which is a million things instead of one focused message.

    My guess is that they won't get a whole lot of people to show up on the 6th - it is a Thursday, after all - and by the time the weekend is over, it'll be just a few people camped out on Freedom Plaza.

    Since my office overlooks Freedom Plaza, I'll have a pretty good idea of the truth about the size of the rally. I'll try to remember to take pictures from my office window, if they're not annoying me and keeping me from getting work done by being too loud.

    •  Oh, great. It's run by ANSWER. (9+ / 0-)

      Ok, a non-credible rally.

      I work with B2B PAC, and all views and opinions in this account are my own.

      by slinkerwink on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 10:38:35 PM PDT

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    •  Loved your line- (8+ / 0-)
      if they're not annoying me and keeping me from getting work done by being too loud

      Any left protest is always ignored by MSM (regardless of size) unless someone is "annoyed."

      It is always either silence by the MSM, or else it is "Today there was a protest that was marred by (insert here perjoratives like "ugly violence", "lack of direction", "disrupted normal traffic patterns", etc).

      Unless there's some disruption, it is just BAU.

      Meteor Blades seems to do an outstanding job of community moderation despite the abject failure to be perfect.

      by catilinus on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 10:47:25 PM PDT

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      •  But the RIGHT people have to be annoyed. (0+ / 0-)

        Just annoying a few regular folks like me will result in some annoyed people and no actual change.

        I don't think it'll come as a surprise to anyone here that I'm not an important person in Washington. I don't have access to the halls of power or the ear of anyone who can do a damn thing about anything. Hell, the person who represents me in Congress doesn't even get a vote!

        A similar amount of power is held by those in the other buildings surrounding Freedom Plaza. The R*** Building, from what I understand, is rented out to organizations and companies, and so is the space above the Warner Theatre, National Theatre, and some of the space in the Hyatt Hotel. The other building on Freedom Plaza is the Wilson Building—which is the home of DC's city government, which has exactly zero power to affect federal policy in any way.

        Hell, it's even probably the one place in this part of town where there won't even be a Cabinet secretary within earshot; the closest one would be Commerce, kitty-corner to the plaza at 14th and Penn/E, and we currently don't have a Secretary of Commerce.

        If they're going to annoy people, they should annoy the people who are causing the problem, or the media so they'll report on them—not just regular folks like me, who are trying to do our jobs and who have absolutely no power to effect change in Washington.

        •  Effecting change in DC is something no one is (0+ / 0-)

          quite sure how to do as it hasn't happened yet in this century. Personally, I think if all traffic in DC metro & NY near the stock exchange were brought to a halt for a couple days...there'd be a lot of change.

          Meteor Blades seems to do an outstanding job of community moderation despite the abject failure to be perfect.

          by catilinus on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 08:08:11 AM PDT

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          •  But this won't bring traffic to a halt. (0+ / 0-)

            Even if the marchers were able to block 14th St.—which I don't think the police would let them do—it would just be a snarl, not a halt, as drivers would hop over to 15th or take 9th/12th under the Mall to get to and from 395.

            And Penn isn't exactly a major east-west corridor, as it comes to an end at the White House/Ellipse/Treasury complex at 15th.

            Not to mention, there's still Metrorail, which you can't really block like you would a city street.

            All that would be a pain in the ass, but wouldn't cripple anything.

    •  I hope your office (2+ / 0-)
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      Calvino Partigiane, Abelia

      is nice. I hear you on the well entrenched assumption that since these kinds of things haven't had any impact since the 60s, you and your office are going to go on along with business as usual forever. But I think you may be underestimating how close we are to the same kind of discontent that drove the 60s. You and your kind cannot suck much more air out of this balloon. People are going to start showing up at this stuff because there is no other option. It's not like the 80s where everyone went to work because they could have a life instead. There is no work. There is no life available. No, you and your buddies are going to be stuck with few options. Either have your friends in uniform mow the people down, or start realizng something has to change. Enjoy your office.

      Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities. Truth isn't.
      Mark Twain

      by phaktor on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 12:44:14 AM PDT

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      •  You make a lot of presumptions... (2+ / 0-)
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        ...about "me and my kind."

        You have no idea what I do at my office, or why I'm doing it, or who I'm helping, or what "kind" I am, or whether or not I have "friends in uniform."

        All you know is that I work in the District of Columbia in an office overlooking Freedom Plaza, and I like being able to get work done during the day.

        Believe me, if I thought this rally would do a damn bit of good, I'd support it—maybe not by camping out there, because why would I do that when I'm a 15-minute bus ride from my own bed, but certainly by helping supply and such.

        But I see absolutely no evidence that this is going to be any different from the other scattershot ANSWER rallies; it's got the same muddled message and the same cast of leftist characters who will make all sorts of ridiculous demands. Literally nothing about this rally, save its "open-endedness," is any different from the tens if not hundreds of ineffectual demonstrations these same groups have been engaging in for 10+ years now.

        Why keep giving the "keys" to the movement to this bunch, who have been nothing but ignored or (rightly) ridiculed for a decade, who have demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are completely and totally incapable of mobilizing even a fraction of the general public behind them, who have completely failed in getting the normal guy or gal on the street in Biloxi or Paducah or Kansas City to identify with them?

        This rally will do nothing but annoy folks like me, folks who don't have any sway in the halls of power. It will not disrupt any of the processes or policies that you want to change in Washington; Freedom Plaza is far enough away from both White House and Capitol that they'll be able to safely ignore it, and even the motorcades going back and forth can completely avoid it, as Pennsylvania Ave isn't the only route between WH and Capitol.

        I'm for effective movement and action; I'm against wastes of time and energy, and doubly so when these wastes of time and energy threaten to make me less able to do my work (much of which is, I'll note, for progressive organizations and causes). So stop making presumptions about "me and my kind," because you know absolutely nothing about either one.

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