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  •  In what sense? (3+ / 0-)
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    At this point in time, Kasich is short odds to be a one-termer, and between the 2012 and the 2014 cycles, there's going to be a lot of carnage among Republican State Representatives and State Senators. Given the likely economy at 2012, there's going to be a lot of turnover all around, on both sides of the aisle, at both State and Congressional level.

    And there will be a 110mph corridor already up and running between Chicago and St. Louis.

    I can see the air of unreality in the Express HSR corridor from New York to Chicago ... but between the political turmoil coming and the psychological impact when we hit $5/barrel to $6/barrel gasoline, and the ability to finish one of these Rapid Rail projects within a single gubernatorial term, I don't see anything unrealistic about this in the 2015-2018 time frame.

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    by BruceMcF on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 06:32:20 PM PDT

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    •  i am a strong HSR supporter (0+ / 0-)

      but I'll wait until there's a prayer that something will actually come of it (ie, Kasich & crowd are out & thoroughly villified) before counting any chickens or determining any "stations". We had "stations"  - he took them all away. New/additional stations could have been built connecting to the original corridor. This is, sadly, pipedream speculation. Would it were otherwise.

      BTW same thing happened with the Trolley in Cincinnati. It got stymied, mostly by the Gov.

      •  Working on improving the plan ... (5+ / 0-)

        ... is not counting chickens.

        Counting chickens before they're hatched would be doing something that does not make sense until it is certain to go ahead.

        What I am talking about here is the kind of thing where waiting until it is certain to go ahead is probably too late. Unless it is guaranteed to not go ahead, it would be foolish to wait until there is the political impetus to get moving.

        Criticize whether it is a sensible plan, but I don't buy the argument that its foolish to plan. That is the approach that sees progressives repeatedly rolled by radical reactionaries with the willingness to play the long game.

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        by BruceMcF on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 07:33:10 PM PDT

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        •  Southeast High Speed Rail timeline. (5+ / 0-)

          I happened to have the page for the Southeast High Speed Rail Corridor. Among the things they have are a timeline on how long it takes to get through the studies and design phases--10 years before they can put the shovel down.  We can probably do something to speed up the process, but there you have it.

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          by Judge Moonbox on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 07:51:14 PM PDT

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          •  Yes, getting through preliminary planning ... (3+ / 0-)
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            ... and environmental assessment takes time. We had a pair of Republican governors over 16 years who fobbed off advocates for the Ohio Hub by cycling through planning and putting in requests to Congress for funding environmental assessments.

            That's why they could have started operations by late 2012 if the 3C Quickstart had been allowed to go ahead. Indeed, that was one reason why it was so urgent to make sure that the Quickstart did not go ahead.

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            by BruceMcF on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 08:10:05 PM PDT

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        •  God knows.... (3+ / 0-)
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          ....the wingnuts are always planning in their think tanks, just waiting for the day when the political environment gives them a chance to put their plans into action.

          Ideology is an excuse to ignore common sense.

          by Bush Bites on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 07:56:49 PM PDT

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          •  The progressive blogosphere ... (3+ / 0-)
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            ... can't play all of the roles that the radical reactionary propaganda mills like Heritage, Cato and Reason do, but it has to play some of them if we are to overcome the cash funding disadvantage without being dependent upon sources of funds that corporoDems can choke off.

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            by BruceMcF on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 01:29:56 AM PDT

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    •  Um,, (4+ / 0-)
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      ...when we hit $5/barrel to $6/barrel gasoline,....
      Did you mean $5 to $6/gallon gasoline?  

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      by Calamity Jean on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 09:04:04 PM PDT

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    •  Where will the money come from (0+ / 0-)

      after Kasich has pillaged the state and left a pile of steaming wreckage? We will have lost our liquor commission, our lottery, and our turnpike — all profit centers. Our schools will be in ruin, competing with Mississippi for last place. Our health-care outcomes will be horrific. Our infrastructure will be in ruins. Our parks will be destroyed by fracking; our air will be polluted, and our unemployment will be sky-high. We will have a budget gap in the tens of billions given Kasich's reckless squandering of our tax money. at that point, passenger rail will not be affordable and won't be high on anyone's list. I don't remotely see this happening. We blew our chance.

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      by anastasia p on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 02:01:11 PM PDT

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      •  The cash for the capital investment, ... (1+ / 0-)
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        ... or the cash for the operations?

        The cash for the operations comes from the farebox ~ that's why you go faster than the 79mph Amtrak speed ... dawdling along means you take longer to finish a trip so each train and each train crew has fewer seat miles to sell, and those seat miles are less attractive than faster trips would be ...

        ... though note that the Cascade Corridor which at 3:30 is an hour longer than the drive has trains the regularly sell out on the weekends and get strong sales on the weekdays ... so there are people who will pay for the freedom from having to drive themselves ...

        ... but for the capital grants, primarily by spending money on it rather throwing it down a dead end rat hole of building ever more roads which do not pay for their own upkeep, and which we cannot afford.

        Except for the one eyed government spending fanatics, spending less money for the transport capacity by the high speed rail than would be required to get the same capacity from roads, and getting a system that pays for its own upkeep, is a lot better deal.

        If the question is about the current turmoil in Congress ... it would be foolish to refrain from planning for a viable transport system from sometime 2015 or forward because of the political turmoil of July, 2011. That kind of thinking is why progressives keep getting rolled by radical reactionaries who are willing to invest a bit into the longer game.

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        by BruceMcF on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 04:12:38 PM PDT

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