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  •  Unemployed people (3+ / 0-)
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    LordMike, WisVoter, Bailey2001

    who don't have collective bargaining for themselves may not care if people with comfortable salaries get it.

    It may be rough but that is how they feel.

    •  Yes, that is a big problem (1+ / 0-)
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      We don't seem to have any real unity of purpose across the spectrum. Even, here, one of the favorite pass times is to piss on the democratic party when things don't go perfectly our way, and the pissing on Obama doesn't need any further comment.

      Whether we like it or not, we are in a real state of disunity within the party, and there is no reason to think that this disunity won't negatively effect every action and every election that we are endeavoring in. Until we find our way to come back together as one and stop hammering each other, we should not be surprised to see ourselves facing even further possible defeat.

      Due to the current financial constraints, the light at the end of the tunnel will be turned off until further notice ~ Boehner

      by pollbuster on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 11:15:43 AM PDT

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      •  Sometimes I wonder if some of us are too (1+ / 0-)
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        "married to" our causes.  I'm not saying that our causes don't matter, but I'm saying that we need to keep both our causes as well as our team's success in mind, at the same time.

        We gotta think of ourselves as well-oiled parts in a machine, as well as individual actors.  Each of us should have our own story to tell, but it should also be a story about why we fight for our team.

      •  The problem is (1+ / 0-)
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        Cream City

        there's absolutely no demonstrable evidence, none, that the national Democrats have anything close to our priorities. It's not like we're getting 90% of anything and we're mad about the last 10%. It's more like how they co-ordinate to make sure it looks like they support 90% and we only end up with 10% while losing another 30%.

        It's like how the House was happy to pass a public option once they knew it wouldn't pass the Senate, 51 Senators were happy to support it once they knew it wouldn't be in the reconciliation bill, and Obama was happy to nominally support it while promising the health industry it was dead in the water. They're too slippery to assign any real politics to. It doesn't matter that the Democrats draped a shredded fish net of regulations over the financial industry. They abjectly refused to have any kind of hearings or trials, and that alone cemented the new culture in place. It's so slimy and corrupt there's no way to pretend like this is a real political party. Occam's razor says if they make our lives worse, they're against us. How can there be unity when even the liberals (Pelosi, Sanders, Franken?) are so happy to go along with this Up-Is-Down schtick? We're dedicating our allegiance to a party that hurts us whenever they come into power, meanwhile, whenever they come into power the other party is able to regroup, double in power and get voters to blame us? We're living in an Escher painting.

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