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  •  Please Explain (1+ / 0-)
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    rcnewton

    If the GOP retains control of all three branches of the state government, and is free to enact their entire wish list of conservative policies, bringing Texas to Wisconsin as it were, how is that in any way a victory for Democrats?

    •  Two points: (15+ / 0-)

      First: Apparently one of the remaining GOP Senators is actually that all-too-rare breed these days: a true moderate Republican, who actually voted against the anti-union bill, as I understand it.

      So, if the 17:16 ratio stands after next week, this guy could be a swing vote for the Dems on some issues, which wouldn't be the case if they only end up with a net gain of 0 or 1.

      Second: Really?? You're saying that going from 19:14 to 17:16 wouldn't be a good thing? Obviously it's not as good as an outright gaining control of the Senate would be, but it's certainly not a bad thing.

      •  Self-Defeating Progressivism (3+ / 0-)
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        Brainwrap, SwedishJewfish, Sue B

        Letting perfect be the enemy of progress.

        NeoCons' view on torture: if it's good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for anyone!

        by clone12 on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 07:33:16 AM PDT

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      •  Would Schultz have cast a tie-breaker, though? (2+ / 0-)
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        Seneca Doane, JVolvo

        It's one thing to vote your conscience when it's not going to affect the outcome (and I'm not saying it wasn't brave - he was under enormous pressure and I'm very impressed by him).  But it may be another matter when Schultz's is the deciding vote, and Walker and the Fitzgeralds are able to bring all of whatever irresistible force it is that they have to bear.

        We shall see.

        •  Schultz is an independent thinker, not a (6+ / 0-)

          progressive. He will not vote 'our" way unless it fits into what he feels his constituents want. It has been said over and over again that many union members are/were Republican. That is why he voted no. He is not afraid of Walker's pressure, but he is not a Democrat either.

        •  Beats me... (1+ / 0-)
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          Seneca Doane

          I'm here in Michigan; all I know is that he voted against the bill in the end.

          However, it's also conceivable, depending on how strong his personality is, that the tremendous pressure that Walker/et al bring on him could backfire by making him go Indy or even switch parties, depending on his situation.

          According to Wiki, he's 58, a career politician (9 years in the state Assembly, 20 years in the state House, was briefly the Senate Majority Leader), so that seems pretty unlikely.

          On the other hand:

          In 2011, Schultz was the only Senate Republican to vote against the Wisconsin Budget Repair Bill which sparked the 2011 Wisconsin protests. Several House Republicans voted against the bill as well.

          According to Schultz, he had intended to offer a compromise amendment to the bill, but Walker "decoyed" him, misleading him into leaving the Senate chamber.

          Hmmm...interesting. Sounds like he's pretty pissed off at Walker as well.

          On the other other hand:

          He's active with..the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC)

          Yeeks.

          I dunno what to make of this guy.

        •  Yes. More important, he would not need to do so (2+ / 0-)
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          non acquiescer, neroden

          because he would have forced more compromises first on bills for which he then could vote.  That's how he works.  I've watched him for a long time.  He was Senate Majority Leader, he plays politics brilliantly, he really is a moderate -- and his wife is a retired teacher, so he is not against public employees.  He knows that he is one, too.

          It's not so much voting with his conscience, perhaps, as it is voting with his brain.  He's smart.  He said publicly that collective bargaining works, because he remembers, as do I, the chaos of the days when public workers went on strike here -- because that's all that they could do to win.

          Those days may be back, and a moderate doesn't like it.  Better yet, Schultz REALLY doesn't like the Scotties, Walker and Fitzgerald.  See Schultz's act just last week in going public on the dirty tricks that they pulled on him . . . and ask yourself why he waited months to do so, until last week.

          He is gonna have fun being the most powerful guy in Wisconsin.  And the Scotties got up this morning to face a new life in which they are the number-twos now.

          "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

          by Cream City on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 10:18:30 AM PDT

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