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  •  Imagine if Obama were to embrace policies (2+ / 0-)
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    supported by a majority of Americans.

    Nah.

    Wall Street might get pissed and then he'd get an ear full from JP Morgan in the office next to his.

    As a hardcore Democrat, Obama has shaken my faith. Imagine what he's done for independents.

    by Johnathan Ivan on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 01:58:44 PM PDT

    •  We'd Settle For More "Politics As Usual" Even (1+ / 0-)
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      Just do it better.

      It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it.

      by bernardpliers on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 02:06:02 PM PDT

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    •  No doubt, "the majority of Americans" supported (0+ / 0-)

      slavery at one time.

      Should Lincoln have continued to "embrace" that policy?

      •  Why of course! Because slavery (1+ / 0-)
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        and supporting Wall Street are exactly the same issues!

        Wow.

        If you're going to build a straw man, at least put some effort into it.  

        As a hardcore Democrat, Obama has shaken my faith. Imagine what he's done for independents.

        by Johnathan Ivan on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 08:17:49 PM PDT

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      •  Actually, that's probably not true (0+ / 0-)

        There were no opinion polls to speak of until later in the 19th century, but from what we can tell the majority of Americans opposed slavery already well before the time Lincoln was elected.

        The majority supported various compromising, gradualist positions on getting rid of it, but Lincoln had the sense to notice that the slavers were unwilling to compromise.  You know, after they seceded and fired on Fort Sumter.

        Anyway, your analogy makes no sense.  The right policies are also the popular policies when it comes to economics today.  When the moral thing is the competent thing and is the popular thing, it is deranged for a President to fight AGAINST it.

        Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

        by neroden on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 09:47:14 PM PDT

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    •  No doubt, "the majority of Americans" supported (0+ / 0-)

      slavery at one time.

      Should Lincoln have continued to "embrace" that policy?

      •  They didn't by the time of the Civil War (1+ / 0-)
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        His position was what the majority of the country wanted.  Or at least, it was by the time the Emancipation Proclamation was passed.  Still, the majority of the country did not want a President who would let the South continue with their ways and when they seceded, they forced his hand.

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