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  •  A few years later my family moved to (3+ / 0-)

    Livonia because of the schools in Dearborn Hgt

    •  My mother could never get my father to move (3+ / 0-)

      from Dearborn but we did move to the west side, near Cherry Hill and Gulley.

      •  I lived two blocks south of Cherry Hill (1+ / 0-)
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        at gully and marshall. I bet your Dad and my Dad knew each other.

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          My father spent 42 years at Ford.  He was the real American success story.  He grew up dirt poor in WV, a first generation American.  His father died when he was 14 in 1932.  My father was the only one in his family to go to college.  He worked in the CCC set up by Roosevelt's New Deal program.  That helped to support his mother.  He moved to Detroit in 1938 and started working at Ford.  He had deferments through WWII.  He went on to get his masters and a Ph.D. and put all six of his children through college.  I don't know how many people could accomplish all this now.  

          •  Many no longer have the drive. It looks like the (1+ / 0-)
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            only thing your father was "given" was a slot in the CCC. Everything else he worked for.

            Obviously your father was smart - that helped, but he really did do it on his own.

            While some people today want jobs, they don't want the work. It's a totally different mentality than your father's.

            I'd tip my hat (if I ever wore one) off to your dad. It sounds a lot like my aunts and uncles who were also first gen and grew up dirt poor in a big city before and during the depression.

            BTW: today when most people refer to middle class, etc, I think they are not only speaking about their income, but the way they live and bring up their kids. What's important to them.

            It's a middle class mentality rather than an income or job reality.

            Progressives will win when we convince a majority that they, too, are Progressive.

            by auapplemac on Sun Aug 14, 2011 at 12:03:09 PM PDT

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            •  I know his brother & sisters helped (0+ / 0-)

              him and they were older than him.  He would live with one of them, work, then go to college til the money ran out.  Then he'd work again.  But the CCC program helped a lot.  They had a farm, which they lost, but not the house so I know they had a big garden.  I do know that before the unions, you had to pay someone to get a job in the auto plants and then bribe your foreman to keep it.  That changed during the war and then when Henry Ford died and Henry II got rid of Bennett and his goons, it cleaned up the job security problem a lot.  Then of course the UAW really made it about seniority.  Before the union, when they shut down for three weeks in August, it was unpaid.  The union did a tremendous amount of good.

              •  As an uncle of mine was fond of saying, "That's (1+ / 0-)
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                what family's for." It happened in my family, too. Those that had a little bit more, helped those that had less.

                Unions should be credited with a lot of good, but we seldom hear that history.

                What many remember today is things like "On the Waterfront" and the 50s and 60s when there was a lot of corruption reported.

                A few years ago, when Philly was building a huge new convention center, many of the local unions were fighting each other for the right to be in charge of certain departments once the center was finished. Not good press.

                Progressives will win when we convince a majority that they, too, are Progressive.

                by auapplemac on Sun Aug 14, 2011 at 07:34:42 PM PDT

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