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  •  I don't get it... (11+ / 0-)


    ..Is there some huge, hidden swath of American people who are actively anti-SS & anti-Medicare?

    Is there really enough of a national anti-SS & anti-Medicare sentiment in America to propel Bachmann to victory?

    This goes for Obama also.

    All you asshole politicians talking about cutting SS & Medicare are talking to a non-existent voting block.

    When you talk this ignorant shit about cutting SS & Medicare, you are talking exclusively to Wall Street gamblers.  And literally nobody else.

    Plus STFU about cutting SS & Medicare.  Nobody wants it & it's a very evil idea to even toy with.

    When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in excess body fat and carrying a misspelled sign.

    by wyvern on Fri Aug 12, 2011 at 03:06:53 PM PDT

    •  Not a huge, hidden swath (8+ / 0-)

      It's concentrated in the DC area. They are not a majority by any means, but they've go the influence, and thru years of concerted effort, have changed the conventional wisdom.

      "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

      by Joan McCarter on Fri Aug 12, 2011 at 03:12:19 PM PDT

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      •  Okay... (0+ / 0-)

        ..so a tiny minority of criminals concentrated in the DC area like to hear Michelle Bachmann & Barack Obama opine about cutting SS & Medicare.

        That leaves around 150 million active voters in the 50 states not D.C. that Bachmann & Obama are left to contend with when they pimp this ignorant bullshit.

        When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in excess body fat and carrying a misspelled sign.

        by wyvern on Fri Aug 12, 2011 at 03:29:53 PM PDT

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    •  Huge Numbers Younger Than Boomers Accept That (1+ / 0-)
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      it can't be there for them as much as for the WW2 crowd, have for decades, in my experience. I'd love to be proven wrong by polls but I haven't heard anything else in popular discourse since Reagan days.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Aug 12, 2011 at 04:51:43 PM PDT

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      •  That's me, barely (1+ / 0-)
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        but I have this to say about that:

        Take it away from me, take it away from anybody who was promised this as we paid into it every paycheck--then you'd better take it away from EVERYBODY.  You don't get to skate just because you're older.

        Try floating that, Bachmann, you ignorant, feeble-minded, pustulant harpy, and just see how far that gets you.  Because if you just try and take it from a certain demographic you will reap the whirlwind.

        I like lemurs -6.50, -4.82

        by roadbear on Fri Aug 12, 2011 at 05:19:19 PM PDT

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      •  repubs have been dividing (1+ / 0-)
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        and with great calculation pitting generation against generation for decades now and feeding younger people with those fears and lies...and I can understand how a lot of young people have bought into it. Most young people don't think in terms of careers and pensions from what I've seen - they think of the most immediate opportunities and work and think for the most part as independent contractors and temp workers. I don't blame them after seeing so many boomers lose their careers and pensions in their 50's and early sixties..but do they know we really have got their backs? I do, and that's why I will never vote for a Republican - not one single one and not for any foreseeable future.

        •  Gen Xers and Gen Yers... (1+ / 0-)
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          have been constantly fed the lie that Social Security and Medicare won't be there for them when they retire.

          It's clearly psy-ops by conservatives to prepare them for a time when there is no Social Security or Medicare, so that their proposals to dismantle them will not be met with resistance.

          Between this and watching their foundling 401k balances being decimated, it's no wonder why the up-coming generations already have a dim view of savings plans.

          "What's next?" - President Josiah Bartlet, The West Wing

          by shaf on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 06:21:03 AM PDT

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    •  It must be code of some kind (3+ / 0-)
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      satrap, Matt Z, A Man Called Gloom

      Maybe it means: "Get Obama out of the White House!"
      Or maybe: "Your church will take care of you."
      Perhaps: "You'll pay no taxes and get a refund."
      Or maybe Bachmann is just singing the words to the teabagger marching song.

      It can't possibly be about the actual Social Security or Medicare programs.

      "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

      by Orinoco on Fri Aug 12, 2011 at 04:59:09 PM PDT

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      •  It is code, but different (3+ / 0-)

        This is all about destroying the ability of governent to project any power over "free" commerce.

        They hate SS and Medicare because they work, and anything that makes people think that government can do good things for them gets in the way of their broader mission. That mission is to dismantle all of the environmental and labor laws so that corpoations can make more money.

        At the same time, the greedy class would love to get their hands on those biillions of dollars so that they can skim off the top.

        It's a win-win for them, if they can just cast the government as the boogy man. They have to destroy every government program that works.

        They are un-American to the core. It's all "I, me,mine" not "We the People..."

        •  I agree that's what the Candidates (0+ / 0-)

          and elected officials in the Republican party want, because that's what their real base -- the haves and have mores -- want too. But that base doesn't show up at County Fairs, mill around and listen to stump speeches.

          So what is it these voters are hearing when Bachmann says she will get rid of Medicare? Many of them are ON Medicare, or their parents are.

          How can someone make and carry a sign that says: "Keep yur Gummint Hands offa my Medicare" and listen to their favorite candidate say, "Don't worry, we are going to get rid of Medicare when you elect me!"  

          They must be hearing something other than what the candidate is saying. Maybe "Scary brown people are taking your tax money and I'm gonna put a stop to that nonsense right now!" ?

          "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

          by Orinoco on Fri Aug 12, 2011 at 07:05:14 PM PDT

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    •  Another question is... (0+ / 0-)

      there that much ignorance in America to propel millions to vote against their interests and survival?

      Is there really enough of a national anti-SS & anti-Medicare sentiment in America to propel Bachmann to victory?

      "Sisters, brothers and the whities, Blacks and the crackers, Police and their backers, They're all political actors"--Curtis Mayfield

      by Cynic in seattle on Fri Aug 12, 2011 at 07:03:11 PM PDT

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