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  •  Eh.... (1+ / 0-)
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    We Won

    That's like saying that when the Allies landed on Omaha Beach and within days retook a sizeable but not total portion of France, the Nazis won. First of all, the war is not over. Second of all, goals should always exceed practical objectives but not achieving every goal is hardly a marker for failure. If it were, we as a society and a species would hardly get anything done, ever. Third, as I noted, objective and functional control of the legislative house are not the same. Coalitions can now form between Democrats and moderate Republicans who already were unhappy with the extreme Walker wing agenda but didn't have the votes to do anything about it. Now they, and thus Democrats, do. Some "failure"! Fourth, the only way a political movement ever advances is by building on its victories, however small. Deciding that a victory is a failure because it wasn't a 100 percent victory is a recipe for continued irrelevance. If you asked Republicans if they'd like back those two state Senate seats they lost, do you imagine they'd say, "Ain't no thang"?

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      I didn't say that the GOP won an unadulterated victory and we flunked brutally. It's just that we set an objective, and didn't get it. Sure, it helps later on, but we didn't "win" in the way we said.

      Yes, there are complicated coalition things and election predictions, but in terms of what we wanted, we didn't get it.

      Again, you can get close to your objective and be happy. But if you define a "win" and don't get it, it really makes no sense to claim victory.

      People panic too much on this site.

      by thematt523 on Sun Aug 14, 2011 at 11:39:09 AM PDT

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