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  •  Perry is a niche candidate. (6+ / 0-)

    Mitt has the ability to take independents.

    At least, up here in the North, Mitt looks plausible to a lot of right-leaning independents, Perry looks like another goofy cowboy.

    Ideology is an excuse to ignore common sense.

    by Bush Bites on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 05:41:25 AM PDT

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    •  "Right leaning independent" might mean (0+ / 0-)

      something different where you are.

      Obama is probably going to win here in Illinois no matter what happens.  I know a lot of people who will say comparatively nice things about Romney, and who would prefer him by miles to Perry, but they'll end up voting Obama.

      That's Romney's problem.  He'll get some votes that Perry won't get, but most of the people who find him somewhat appealing will end up voting for Obama.

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      by dinotrac on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 05:45:32 AM PDT

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      •  Well, I'm in Illinois too. (0+ / 0-)

        And I work with quite a few right-leaning independents who were listening to Mitt and worried about Bachmann, and who groaned audibly when I told them perry was jumping into the race.

        Not sure they'd vote for Obama at this stage, but they might stay home rather than vote for a Bush clone.

        Ideology is an excuse to ignore common sense.

        by Bush Bites on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 05:51:07 AM PDT

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      •  mitt does much better in polls than (4+ / 0-)

        Perry, who is really making folks outside the South uncomfortable.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 05:51:45 AM PDT

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        •  Polls and votes are different things. (1+ / 0-)
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          The big question is how many votes will he take from Obama.  He can win if Obama is sufficiently damaged, but how damaged does that have to be?

          Face it:

          If you hate the federal health insurance bill, you won't like what Romney did in Massachusetts.
          If you don't like higher taxes, you won't like how Romney balanced the budget in Massachusetts.

          Etc.

          If you like Romney, do you like him better than Obama, who is finally an experienced executive?

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          by dinotrac on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 05:56:20 AM PDT

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          •  You have to figure each will get their base.... (2+ / 0-)
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            .....or maybe the same percentage of their base, right?

            The conservative base is much bigger than the liberal base, so Obama NEEDS independents to win.

            If Mitt even takes a few of them, and keeps the same percentage of his base that Obama does, he wins.

            Ideology is an excuse to ignore common sense.

            by Bush Bites on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 06:01:22 AM PDT

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            •  But who is Mitt's base? (1+ / 0-)
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              He was governor of Massachusetts.
              What kind of conservative base does that give him?

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              by dinotrac on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 06:03:18 AM PDT

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              •  The die-hards will vote Repub no matter what. (0+ / 0-)

                ....Mitt may have to put a Perry on the veep ticket to get the base out, but he'd do that in a nanosecond if his advisors told him to.

                And, it's not like Obama's doing great with the liberal base either.

                So, even if they both marginally perform with their party's base, if Mitt takes a percentage of the independents on top of that, and he wins.

                Ideology is an excuse to ignore common sense.

                by Bush Bites on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 06:07:47 AM PDT

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      •  Anyway, Obama/Perry would be a better election.... (2+ / 0-)
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        ....for the country.

        If we want to clear the air and figure out which way the country's going to go -- stronger government vs. weaker government -- a fuzzy guy like Mitt pushing some kind of Compassionate Conservatism Part II, just causes interference.

        (Which is what Chuck Todd was saying before Gregory dumbed it down to his own level.)

        Ideology is an excuse to ignore common sense.

        by Bush Bites on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 05:57:50 AM PDT

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        •  I think so, too. (1+ / 0-)
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          At some point, elections need to mean something again.

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          by dinotrac on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 06:02:05 AM PDT

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        •  Perry won't last two months (1+ / 0-)
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          Palafox

          The media is already looking into his "pay for play" Texas politics, where a state with a $25 billion deficit and no money to care for children in poverty, wants to spend close to $25 million dollars for a Formula One race track.
          Or Perry's "Emerging Technology Fund" where some of his biggest donors created companies to get money from the fund, then promptly went bankrupt.
          http://www.sfgate.com/...

          Then there's the case of Cameron Todd Willingham, sentenced to death after being accused of murdering his wife and children by setting fire to his own house. When forensic arson experts looked into the case and found a lot of erroneous conclusions from the evidence, they attempted to present the evidence to the Texas Forensic Science Commission. Perry stepped in, fired the head of the commission and replaced him with a crony, who promptly canceled the hearings on Willingham, who was executed a few months later.
          Texas is a big state, Perry has plenty of scandals in his background to feed the media for months.

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          by skohayes on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 07:03:54 AM PDT

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        •  Yeah, if Perry gets elected, I know which way I'm (0+ / 0-)

          going.

          North.  Far North.  Far White North.  

          "Don't dream it, be it" - Brad, Janet and Frank

          by captainlaser on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 07:54:17 PM PDT

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