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  •  Don't laugh at Fred Thompson. (0+ / 0-)

    Back in August of 2010, I saw a commercial featuring Fred Thompson that, to me at least, made it obvious that the GOP was going to make "no new taxes" one of the cornerstones of their election pitch. I even wrote a diary about it.  And got laughed at.

    Because "nobody will pay attention to Thompson." I got the "cornpone accent" comments, the "Foghorn Leghorn" comments, the "who listens to that old fart" comments.

    Turns out I was right. Yet here we go again.

    Thompson is still thought of, by a lot of people, as the tough-on-crime DA on Law and Order. And yes, we know that's a TV show, but people make emotional judgements about actors based on their characters all the time. He's also played  a navy admiral; and the airport manager in Die Hard II. Yes, these are fantasy figures....but so is Lady Gaga, and her fans would kill for her.

    He also is superb at projecting down-home, let's-get-a-beer-and-talk-about-this believability. That's why the GOP put him in that commercial. And if you don't think that a lot of people watched that commercial and believed every half-truth-twisted-into-a-whole-lie that Thompson was pitching, dream on.

    We keep underestimating these people. I'm seeing it now with Perry. Don't do it. They are unethical and ruthless, but they are also smart, charming and have the ability to tell a carefully constructed lie like it's Gods own truth.  We sneer and snark and shrug at these people at our peril. We've been blindsided before....we can't afford to be blindsided again.

    So quit with the Foghorn Leghorn jokes. Or the laugh will be on us.

    Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

    by Sirenus on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 07:46:14 AM PDT

    •  c'mon (0+ / 0-)

      Thompson was a complete loser as a candidate. Total flameout.

      Tell us not to underestimate newt or Pawlenty, would you?

      Now, if you read the link, you'll see I give Perry much more credfit than Thompson, but Perry could still flame out.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 09:03:22 AM PDT

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      •  Assumptions. (0+ / 0-)

        Thompson didn't making the commercial as a candidate. He wasn't a candidate for anything in 2010.

        He was acting as a pitchman for the GOP. And at that, he is superb.

        But my main point is that progressives always snark about people like him, and Perry and Boehner and Mitchell and Norquist...then find ourselves blindsided by those we dismissed as "stupid, crazy, no threat, no influence."

        If Thompson starts pitching for any agenda point or any candidate, I'd pay attention. Because millions of voters will.

        In fact, we should be taking everything these people do seriously....instead of brushing them off as hicks that "no one will listen to."

        Or we can just preen ourselves on our intellectual superiority.....and lose elections.

        Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

        by Sirenus on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 10:32:44 AM PDT

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        •  some people need to be made fun of (0+ / 0-)

          like Pawlenty and Santorum and Palin. And Thompson, who ran for President in 2008 and was just dreadful.

          Some peolpe need to be taken seriously like Perry.

          Not clear where Bachmann sits.

          Sorry, you're just way off with that broad brush. No one's calling them a hick. No one calls Pawlenty or Santorum a hick. That's not the point at all. They are terrible candidates. That is the point.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 11:16:20 AM PDT

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          •  Read the diary. (0+ / 0-)

            Quote:
            "Did someone, I say, someone say Fred Thompson?"

            There's the mocking. There's the use of Foghorn Leghorn.

            All I'm saying is....don't do that.  There are pleny of candiates that can be mocked. Cain come to mind. Bachmann comes to mind. True crazies, with no record to run on and no chance at the presidency or at becoming an actual power in Washington. But don't mock those who are smart and effective at what they do. That includes Thompson.

            People mocked Santorum. They didn't take him seriously. They laughed at his name.

            Yet look where he is now. Just where he can cause a world of trouble.

            Don't mock such people. Don't take it for granted that they're no threat, as candidates, politicians or pitchmen. This is why we keep saying, "How the hell did he get elected?!"

            Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

            by Sirenus on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 05:33:58 PM PDT

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            •  you're wrong (0+ / 0-)

              ;-)

              Have a good night.

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 08:23:03 PM PDT

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              •  PS why wrong? (0+ / 0-)

                1. Thompson was an awful candidate, he isn't and wasn't effective at anything.

                2. there's nothing wrong with mocking him, nothing whatsoever

                "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                by Greg Dworkin on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 08:40:55 PM PDT

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                •  Did you read my comment? (0+ / 0-)

                  OR my follow up comment?  I was talking about Thompson as a pitchman, not a candidate!

                  He pitched the "Democrats will raise your taxes" lie.

                  You think that wasn't effective?  

                  Where have you been the last few years?

                  That's one half of the GOPs main agenda. "Democrats will raise your taxes" and "Republicans will give you jobs."

                  That pitch lost us the House.

                  Thompson, in that commercial , showed us exactly what the GOP intended.

                  But we were so busy laughing at him, we missed the pitch. And the GOP blindsided us.

                  God, you people can be so smug....and so stupid

                  Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

                  by Sirenus on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 11:56:57 AM PDT

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            •  btw some history (0+ / 0-)
              Foghorn's voice was created by Mel Blanc and was later performed by Jeff Bergman, Joe Alaskey, Bill Farmer, Greg Burson, Jeff Glen Bennett and Frank Gorshin.[2][3] It was patterned after a hard-of-hearing West Coast-only radio character from the 1930s, known simply as The Sheriff.[4] Later, some of Foghorn's characteristic catch-phrases were drawn from the character of Senator Claghorn, a blustering Southern politician who was a regular character on the Fred Allen radio show.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/...

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 08:25:57 PM PDT

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              •  no 'message' here (0+ / 0-)

                added out of interest.

                "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                by Greg Dworkin on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 08:27:10 PM PDT

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