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  •  Why not start this next Sabbath? (2+ / 0-)
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    Geminijen, shantysue

    Either do not go to services or go and ask other women if they want to meet to discuss going on strike against anti-female dogma?

    If you think it won't matter, try a "rent strike" by refusing to "pay" your tithes/time until they play fair?  

    I'd say best to quit going so you don't receive steady doses of propaganda against yourselves.

    You are right that a negative only approach won't be enough.     Start by picking a weekly or monthly or yearly positive project.
    Positive projects are needed to substitute for the former addicted behavior.

    One idea could be to use your now freed up sabbath time/cash to fund an inclusive project starting in your own neighborhood?  Poor food choices often steal children's ability to learn and their ability to grow a healthy body.  If your community is bereft of fresh fruit and veggie choice, grow or haul in fresher, healthier foods -- as a coop.  

    Have meetings to swap recipes and parenting ideas to get the children to actually EAT better.  We all profit from healthier populace.  Maybe even have small cook together, eat together, nutrition practice in roving homes -- to substitute for former churchie centered gnoshes which tend to be unhealthily sugar centered while also feeding need to gather with other humans.

    To break the mental faith miasma is harder.   For years now I've been reading children myths and legends from around the world and thru recorded time.  Fairly soon we start seeing trends in what universal human question are answered in those tales/beliefs.   Life/death, right/wrong, creation, meaning of life, how to be good, how to pray, whether to pray, is bad luck a proof of sin, who am I, why am I, etc.     The more you know, the less you can be made to fear the "other" faith paths.  

    And yes, start with the easiest local office of government.  Watch it.  Study it.  See what is wrong with it.  Decide what would make it work better.  Find among you a candidate whom you trust to win office and start making that change.  

    We only fail if we never try and if we let others convince us we have no chance to change for the better.  

    De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

    by Neon Mama on Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 12:03:51 PM PDT

    •  My favorite project -- that we actually did out (2+ / 0-)
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      West a few years ago was to start small free neighborhood women's health clinics.  the staff was volunteer at the beginning -- we had nurses and a doctor that moved between the clinics - there were about fives of them in different neighborhoods.  We had them in rented hourses with a couch in the living room and an area for children with toys.

      We provided general women's health services (Plus referrals for Abortion - it was still illegal), had discussions with women and their kids.  It was a great system -- it helped with women & children's health, it was informal and free, it helped with childrearing practices and gave women a little break, helped politicize and legalize abortion.

      They clinics were so great, they all got grants and got absorbed into the mainstream system -- services were somewhat less readical after that, but abortion was now legal and workers got paid and they extended the services.  It was a great model (kind of like the Panther breakfast programs got absorbed in the schools -- I don't think we had them in the schools before the Panthers started them)

      •  Excellent female centered project which (2+ / 0-)
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        actually helps the whole family in long run.  

        I perhaps wrongly assumed that Brit centered start meant that they had reproductive health under control in national health program?

        Decades ago in Clearwater our interfaith group included a "free clinic".   The Catholic Churches didn't donate because condoms and abortion info were dispensed when needed.  We did other stuff like prison reform, emergency housing, lay leadership training, etc.  We agreed to disagree -- if your faith didn't fit a project, you said no to just that segment.  When we all agreed on needed social change -- we could speak with power of multiple congregations.

        De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

        by Neon Mama on Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 01:43:34 PM PDT

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        •  Sounds really great -- I like the flexibility it (2+ / 0-)
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          shows -- usually i think that's more a woman's trait - that men get hung up in the macho leftist male vanguard thing.  Maybe just my prejudice.

          Anyway, I am not in Britain right now. Got into this article cause a friend of my is living there.  I am probably your neighbor -- I live in NYC. Not too far from the Clearwater!
          Who knows, maybe we can start a project together.  

          Britain does have national health care -- though the concept of a woman centered program that adds to the national health directive (perhaps works in conjunction with--then you might get salaries earlier).  

          •  Clearwater, Florida --- we are (1+ / 0-)
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            neighbors in net only.  :(  At least we don't have to clean our house to visit  or feed each other anything but good ideas.

            It was a good experience because we interfaithed all year instead of the more common fleeting displays of holding hands once a year on a designated "brotherhood" day.

            It was shortly after RC let members actually visit other religious services.  So one told her priest they could stop praying for conversion of the Jews because they were doing just fine.  And a nice old Methodist lady learned that  Jewish ladies do not join  Church Women United because they worship in synagogues like Jesus and do not pray in that nice Jewish boy's name.  I forget which protestant brand held a Passover Seder and realized the "Last Supper" was a Seder service.  

            I agree about women tending to compromise with more grace.  Lots of practice mediating childish disputes - between actual children?  

            De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

            by Neon Mama on Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 04:43:11 PM PDT

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            •  Just for the record, I hold liberation Seders (1+ / 0-)
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              every year (nonreligious cultural events) and i didn't know until two years ago that the Last supper was a Seder.

              •  Wow. I had to look up liberation seder. (0+ / 0-)

                What a great way to get at modern relevance of ancient traditions.  

                Archeologists/historians have altered the "slavery" in Egypt.  In my childhood it was assumed to be hard physical labor.  Seems now they think the tribe was more likely composed of artisans and craftsmen, a step up from stolid drudgery.

                So, was the enslavement more of a mental acceptance of Pharoah as a god on earth and slipping back into putting some faith in the associated Egyptian beliefs where cattle were worshiped etc.   Not being able to take the bull worship out of folks merely by physical escape.   Even now some faiths have sacred cows.  ( Like insisting women must "submit" to spouse.  Like we are guilty for apple eating Eves.  And abuse victims provoked their abuse.)

                Now think about  "Love thy neighbor as thyself". It took me awhile to realize that this is a duplex message, because in order to love others you must really learn to love yourself.   We won't be truly free until we mentally and emotionally believe in our own value and protect self from any who devalue us.

                De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

                by Neon Mama on Thu Aug 18, 2011 at 08:57:09 AM PDT

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                •  Actually, slavery, at least in ancient (1+ / 0-)
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                  times, was a mixture of craft work (carpenters, tanners, maybe household servants including their version of accountants) and hard labor (building the pyramids).
                  This is also somewhat true of slavery in the Americas, though America used a lot more field hands because  industrializatoin for the mass manufacturing needed large numbers of field workers.  However, a number of the slaves that were not field hands had craft skills.  so often our books stereotype slaves as a general sort of
                  subhuman category instead of bonded human beings working doing all the work necessary on plantations.

                  Anyway, whether in Egypt or America plenty of the brutality we associate with slavery was true. In Egypt, so
                  the story goes,  Moses was raised in the palace as Pharoah's adopted son - didn't know he was jewish.  One day as a young adult, he saw one of the slavedrivers whipping on of the workers and Moses smote him and killed him.  He ran away into the desert(to the land and people who are now the Palestinians) so he wouldn't get in trouble where he went on a self-discovery journey and discovered his jewish roots. Then he returned to Egypt to help his people escape.  Much more.  I will send you a copy of the Liberation Seder I use if you send me an e-mail address.

      •  So awesome Geminijen (0+ / 0-)

        The more I learn about you, the better person I become.

    •  I love your ideas (1+ / 0-)
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      The vege gardens are a wonderful choice - for the very reasons you mention and more. Seed sharing is also awesome. UnaSpenser works with guilds, which I think is outstanding.

      Teaching children through myths is just awesome. I learned so much from a teacher who taught Indian legend (How the Turtle Got Its Shell type of stuff). I like mythology and I include parables in that category.

      I can't stop going to church because I've rarely been.

      What I would add to what you say about watching and studying local govt and issues is that we particularly need to study our local judges. It is very difficult to know much about them, but so necessary because while our attn is fixed on national issues, conservativism spreads from one locality to the next by placing judges who pass everything supercapitalists want.

      You have much to say and I love it! Thanks much.

      •  And we gotta come up with an institution on the (1+ / 0-)
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        progressive side that mirrors the Mega Churches! It used to be unions, but that's not so good for women trying to push a female agenda (though I was a union organizer and nknow many other good women in unions),since they started in the states in a very sexist way.

        But coops -- of all kinds --worker coops, but also knitting coops, food coops, housing coops, childcare and babysitting coops, gardening coops -- all things where we can talk and create a movement with sharing values. I don't know -- what would constitute a "political coop?"

        In Venezuela they have these city worker councils that are mostly women where they plan what kind of industry and jobs and social services the city needs at the grassroots level.

        •  Yes Yes Yes Geminijen (1+ / 0-)
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          A collective coop. There's so much to research, but it's all very inspiring. Replacing mega churches with a movement to change capitalism to cooperativism is a tall order, but it can happen over time. If we work within the system that is landing in our laps, we shall overcome.

          As we speak, I'm researching a political cooperative movement, since the "right" wants everything to go private. Perhaps I shall post a diary on it soon. I think we all have so much stored up info in our "collective" heads that we just need to get it all out here. Ya think?

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