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  •  Sounds really great -- I like the flexibility it (2+ / 0-)
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    shows -- usually i think that's more a woman's trait - that men get hung up in the macho leftist male vanguard thing.  Maybe just my prejudice.

    Anyway, I am not in Britain right now. Got into this article cause a friend of my is living there.  I am probably your neighbor -- I live in NYC. Not too far from the Clearwater!
    Who knows, maybe we can start a project together.  

    Britain does have national health care -- though the concept of a woman centered program that adds to the national health directive (perhaps works in conjunction with--then you might get salaries earlier).  

    •  Clearwater, Florida --- we are (1+ / 0-)
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      neighbors in net only.  :(  At least we don't have to clean our house to visit  or feed each other anything but good ideas.

      It was a good experience because we interfaithed all year instead of the more common fleeting displays of holding hands once a year on a designated "brotherhood" day.

      It was shortly after RC let members actually visit other religious services.  So one told her priest they could stop praying for conversion of the Jews because they were doing just fine.  And a nice old Methodist lady learned that  Jewish ladies do not join  Church Women United because they worship in synagogues like Jesus and do not pray in that nice Jewish boy's name.  I forget which protestant brand held a Passover Seder and realized the "Last Supper" was a Seder service.  

      I agree about women tending to compromise with more grace.  Lots of practice mediating childish disputes - between actual children?  

      De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

      by Neon Mama on Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 04:43:11 PM PDT

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      •  Just for the record, I hold liberation Seders (1+ / 0-)
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        every year (nonreligious cultural events) and i didn't know until two years ago that the Last supper was a Seder.

        •  Wow. I had to look up liberation seder. (0+ / 0-)

          What a great way to get at modern relevance of ancient traditions.  

          Archeologists/historians have altered the "slavery" in Egypt.  In my childhood it was assumed to be hard physical labor.  Seems now they think the tribe was more likely composed of artisans and craftsmen, a step up from stolid drudgery.

          So, was the enslavement more of a mental acceptance of Pharoah as a god on earth and slipping back into putting some faith in the associated Egyptian beliefs where cattle were worshiped etc.   Not being able to take the bull worship out of folks merely by physical escape.   Even now some faiths have sacred cows.  ( Like insisting women must "submit" to spouse.  Like we are guilty for apple eating Eves.  And abuse victims provoked their abuse.)

          Now think about  "Love thy neighbor as thyself". It took me awhile to realize that this is a duplex message, because in order to love others you must really learn to love yourself.   We won't be truly free until we mentally and emotionally believe in our own value and protect self from any who devalue us.

          De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

          by Neon Mama on Thu Aug 18, 2011 at 08:57:09 AM PDT

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          •  Actually, slavery, at least in ancient (1+ / 0-)
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            times, was a mixture of craft work (carpenters, tanners, maybe household servants including their version of accountants) and hard labor (building the pyramids).
            This is also somewhat true of slavery in the Americas, though America used a lot more field hands because  industrializatoin for the mass manufacturing needed large numbers of field workers.  However, a number of the slaves that were not field hands had craft skills.  so often our books stereotype slaves as a general sort of
            subhuman category instead of bonded human beings working doing all the work necessary on plantations.

            Anyway, whether in Egypt or America plenty of the brutality we associate with slavery was true. In Egypt, so
            the story goes,  Moses was raised in the palace as Pharoah's adopted son - didn't know he was jewish.  One day as a young adult, he saw one of the slavedrivers whipping on of the workers and Moses smote him and killed him.  He ran away into the desert(to the land and people who are now the Palestinians) so he wouldn't get in trouble where he went on a self-discovery journey and discovered his jewish roots. Then he returned to Egypt to help his people escape.  Much more.  I will send you a copy of the Liberation Seder I use if you send me an e-mail address.

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