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  •  It is interesting to note that institutionalized (18+ / 0-)
    Immigration began at a period of economic growth and labour was needed to rebuild UK after the war. Black workers were employed in low status work at low pay that white British people did not want to do; in this sense, the division of labour between whites and blacks was from the onset of Black immigration racialised.

    racism occurred almost all over Europe around the same time. In France, we pretty much did the same and "imported" North Africans to do the menial jobs, and marginalized their kids and grandkids into the bargain. Germany and Turkey. Spain and Morocco....the list goes on.

    Great piece, NYBe.

    •  post-war period with declining empires ... (9+ / 0-)

      it is the collapsing empires of the Brits and France that led to large immigration to mother countries. At that point, the white character of these was threatened as these communities became large enough to become distinct communities that were extremely exploited both economically, politically and socially. Colonialism had already laid the basis for racism as racism was used to historically justify it. Now that people of colour were living in mother countries, racists were able to play divide and conquer with the indigenous working class.  Racism has always been a card in the UK, look at how the Irish (both as a colony and Irish workers in england and scotland) have been treated historically.

      "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

      by NY brit expat on Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 04:42:10 PM PDT

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    •  This is an issue that needs... (9+ / 0-)

      to be dealt with, pronto.

      There's a seething anger at immigration all over Europe and it's time to start the discussion over the role of integration/immigration in modern Europe.
      There's rioting in Spain too, isn't there?

      “Sometimes, the most reasonable thing in the legislative process is to be unreasonable.” Mike Pence, R-Ind., on negotiating with the democrats.

      by dclawyer06 on Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 04:47:35 PM PDT

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      •  the hard-right and the mainstream (7+ / 0-)

        right have been using the immigration argument to try and foment racism in countries throughout the EU. It is the essential point that all the right has been using and it is extremely racist in usage.  Immigration outside of the EU is incredibly limited due to what I believe is a fundamentally racist immigration policy in the EU.

        The majority of people of colour that are coming into the UK are political and religious refugees. Immigration from outside the UK at this point only happens if people have specific skills and a job here. So when due to the crappy wages they were paying nurses they could not get british people to work, they brought in nurses from the Philippines draining the supply of nurses there whose education has been paid for my the Philippine government. The right is deliberately obfuscating immigration and refugees.

        Rioting and demonstrations in Spain are politically organised as they are in Greece and are in direct response to austerity programmes being forced on governments from the EU, European Central Bank and the IMF. This is not the same thing as we saw in the UK which was literally an explosion of anger amongst the poor and the working class.

        "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

        by NY brit expat on Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 05:03:17 PM PDT

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        •  Your diary is great... (5+ / 0-)

          and a serious contribution to dkos.
          I'm still working through it and reflecting on the themes; I'm scarfing it up!

          I'm also wondering the current demographic data for UK; what % of Britons are either black or Asian, I wonder?

          “Sometimes, the most reasonable thing in the legislative process is to be unreasonable.” Mike Pence, R-Ind., on negotiating with the democrats.

          by dclawyer06 on Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 06:17:15 PM PDT

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          •  the latest information from the census that (7+ / 0-)

            I had was from 2001; the census data from 2011 has not been released yet. That was why I could not make a definitive statement as the data on prisons I had was from this year, but the census data was only from 2001. The pattern is clear in that the percentage of blacks and asians in prison is greater than their percentage in the population; but w/o the latest census data, I can only establish a pattern not an exact statistical comparison. We answered the census at the end of may, so they are probably still compiling information. Send me a private message, so that I will remember to send you the information when it becomes available.

            "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

            by NY brit expat on Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 06:30:35 PM PDT

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          •  dclawyer, my apologies, thanks for your (5+ / 0-)

            kind comments. they are much appreciated!

            "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

            by NY brit expat on Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 07:11:33 PM PDT

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    •  It would be interesting to try and look deeply at (7+ / 0-)

      the effect of and fear of both immigrants, as immigrants as compared to the fear of people simply because of "race" or otherness and then, how they work together historically (with the focus on how and when they interact).  Amazingly rich work ExPat.

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