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  •  In New Mexico (2+ / 0-)
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    evergreen2, Catte Nappe

    some "Hispanics" make a clear distinction between themselves and "Mexicans".

    There actually are families in NM who brought their line direct from Spain, unsullied by any touch of Native Western Hemisphere bloodlines, and they are quite proud of that fact.  They are the ones who are not brown and have European features.  There are very few of them, but nobody want to be called a "Mexican",  except for the actual Mexicans, who are bemused by the conceit, when they are not being discriminated against.

    New Mexico is unique in that it was settled by colonists from Spain and Mexico beginning in 1598, and their descendants are still here, on "their" land.  The culture has evolved somewhat from the 16th century Spanish feudalism that rolled up the arduous 1000-mile+ Journada del Muerte from Mexico City 400 years ago.

    don't always believe what you think...

    by claude on Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 04:42:42 PM PDT

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    •  Boolsheet Thosde families came from (0+ / 0-)

      Mexico when it was under spanish rule, but their blood was from people born in Mexico, NOT Spain... the first gobernador of NM was Onate, the son of a Conquistador, and born in Mexico...

      They were at best criollo (meaning both parents from Spain) but not considered Spanish...

      From wikipedia (which calls him Spanish, but truth is he was born in Mexico)

      Oñate was born in the New Spain city of Zacatecas to Spanish-Basque colonists and silver mine owners. His father was the conquistador/silver baron Cristóbal de Oñate, and his mother Doña Catalina Salazar y de la Cadena.[1] His Cadena ancestor fought in the Battle of Las Navas de Tolosa, and was the first to break the line of defense protecting Mohammad Ben Yacub. The family was granted a coat of arms, and thereafter were known as the Cadenas. (Ref. La Calle de Cadena en Mexico," pps. 1—46, Guillermo Porras Munoz). Juan de Oñate married Isabel de Tolosa Cortés de Moctezuma, granddaughter of Hernán Cortés, the conqueror of the Aztec Triple Alliance, and great granddaughter of the Aztec Emperor Moctezuma Xocoyotzin.

      His children were mestizo as were the children of most of the Spaniards who had come to Mexico after La Conquista... there were very few women of pura sangre from Spain in that still wild and wooly era...

      I used to live in Zacatecas...

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