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  •  I totally agree that a 100% match is unrealistic. (1+ / 0-)
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    Johnny Q

    But that's a straw man.

    Great Obama's better than Bush. w00t!

    I do not disagree that a vote not cast sends no message. But a vote cast for my values and beliefs can totally be quantified and qualified so the message is understood. Voting for a guy because he's better than Bush or Perry is not qualifiable.

    In fact it sends the wrong message. It says,"I support this." It plays to the biases of the person receiving the vote. It means whatever they, or their staff,  pollsters or their corporate sponsors want it to mean. It is not counted towards my values being represented.

    You keep blaming the voters for not making the world better and absolve politicians of all responsibility.

    "You can choose to drink motor oil or gasoline, your choice."

    "Of course he died. That guy was a Dumbass! He drank gasoline!"

    The message that 2010 sent was that Democrats didn't do what voters wanted them to do, period. And if they were smart they'd stop blaming the voters and start representing their values. "The Beatings will continue until morale improves," is not a winning electoral strategy.

    I think the Supreme Court is important. But last time I checked, I don't get to vote for the SC.

    If the Democrats want to appoint the next supreme court nominees then they should do something to make people like me want to vote for them.

    It's not that hard, man. Beat up on some failed conservative policies. Stand up for Unions. Don't pass Free Trade initiatives. Talk about the good that Government can do. Protect people. You know, be a Democrat.

    Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

    by k9disc on Thu Aug 18, 2011 at 09:23:09 AM PDT

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    •  Wrong. (1+ / 0-)
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      Cedwyn

      The message sent in 2010 is that the American electorate WANTS conservative policies.

      Otherwise so may conservatives would not have been elected.

      I don't care what message you thought you were sending, that's the message that was ACTUALLY sent.

      "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

      by Whimsical on Thu Aug 18, 2011 at 10:39:15 AM PDT

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      •  I think we wanted POPULISM! (2+ / 0-)
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        Johnny Q, Sylv

        The American People are ANGRY. Teabaggers and conservatives ran on Populism and tapped into that Anger.

        Democrats allowed Republicans to run as Populists.

        It was pretty amazing that after 30 years of failed conservative policies that sabotaged America that Republicans could just assume the mantle of Populism and blame it all on Democrats.

        Democrats let that happen because none of them were pissed off and none of them cared enough to stand up for the American People and our livelihoods.

        I don't care what message you thought you were sending, that's the message that was ACTUALLY sent.

        That wasn't the message sent, but I'm sure it was the message received, no doubt about that.

        The message sent was We are Angry! Fuck YOU and PROTECT US!

        Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

        by k9disc on Thu Aug 18, 2011 at 11:38:24 AM PDT

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        •  The message recieved is (1+ / 0-)
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          the only message that matters, sadly. Even the best of intentions in the message that was tried to sent get lost and end up in an entirely different message recieved.

          It's entirely predictable.  I should know, I predicted it.

          When we learn how to use elections to make sure the message sent and the message recieved are the same, we'll start making progress.

          Sadly, the left seems to want to double down on once again sending a message that will be interpreted in the exact same way as  the  message of the 2010 midterms.

          Bad idea.

          "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

          by Whimsical on Thu Aug 18, 2011 at 01:47:24 PM PDT

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          •  The message received has nothing to do with (0+ / 0-)

            the sender.

            It is an interpretation, an interpretation that confirms bias.

            Those who failed choose to blame it on someone else so they can continue to operate within their comfort zone and in the case of our politics, with corporate sponsorship.

            So the message received is that people don't want Progressive policy.

            And yet 60-80% of Americans want progressive policy.

            A more realistic reading of the message would be that the Populist rhetoric captured the anger and fear of the electorate and leveraged it towards an electoral win.

            Republicans can do populism, because it's fake and leaves the corporate sponsors alone.

            Democrats can't do that because populism from the Left terrifies the corporate sponsors. Therefore it couldn't have been the populism, it was the fact that nobody wants Lefty policy.

            Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

            by k9disc on Thu Aug 18, 2011 at 03:43:14 PM PDT

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