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  •  I find it disgusting... (13+ / 0-)

    that the Israeli government has officially adopted the rhetoric of the settler movement.

    "There will be a price tag to this event...

    The "price tag" campaign by settlers is disgusting, and so is the apparent adoption of such a practice by a national government.

    Tellingly, the settler "price tag" actions make no distinction between innocent Palestinians and those responsible for whatever act they are rampaging against.  They happily attack whatever Palestinian target presents itself, or go out and hunt down random Palestinian targets to extract their vengeance on.  Much like a lynch mob.

    This is the policy Ehud Barak wishes to reference here.  He chose those words.  Shame.

    Terror has no religion.

    by downsouth on Thu Aug 18, 2011 at 09:50:37 PM PDT

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    •  truly (5+ / 0-)

      so much for justice...they were warned by Jordan. Egyptian soldiers helped at the border...but we can't just punish those who might have been responsible...we have to terrorize the entire Gazan community.

      At least many in the Israeli protest group might understand, if some do not here. There are deaths on both sides ...and on it goes. My hope is still that the people can solve this because no one in so-called leadership positions ever will!

      "In the depth of winter I finally learned that there was in me an invincible summer."- Albert Camus

      by valadon on Thu Aug 18, 2011 at 10:19:26 PM PDT

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    •  Well I find it disgusting..... (9+ / 0-)

      ....that rocket attacks on civilian transportation are something Israel should apparently just ignore.  Just to be nice, apparently.

      •  Israel is an exception (4+ / 0-)

        It is the ONLY country in the world not allowed to defend itself, in any way, in any circumstances. Note that no alternative actions are proposed.

      •  No. (6+ / 0-)

        Nobody said Israel should "ignore" anything.  Israel has not only a right, but a duty to its own citizens, to respond to such attacks as took place.  But the response needs to be measured, and meted out against those responsible with an eye toward preventing civilian casualties.  The 'price tag' campaign though targets anything and anyone Palestinian, as revenge for some act...sometimes something as small as drawing water from the wrong well or using the wrong path.  It is a terroristic settler policy and one which Ehud Barak is now referencing on a national level.

        As I type this, the Israeli Air Force is taking out targets in Gaza including the power station (again).  These further actions have now resulted in return fire, with at least 10 rockets hitting Israel and a suicide bomber striking at the Egyptian border.  It is a vicious cycle that is once again spinning out of control, and Bibi is sitting in Jerusalem laughing because it is he who benefits from this slaughter.  It is the distraction that he so desperately needed, and now has, to disarm the protests in Israel, and it is diplomatic ammunition to use against the Palestinian bid in the UN next month.

        Terror has no religion.

        by downsouth on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 07:54:24 AM PDT

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        •  Read the JVP shpeal..... (2+ / 0-)
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          ...again.  Actually read it this time.

        •  Israel does indeed have a duty to (3+ / 0-)
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          defend its citizens from attacks. It should do so nonviolently where possible, and, if and when nonviolent means are exhausted, through violence (subject to international law). In this case, nonviolent means haven't even been tried, let alone exhausted. If Israel wants to end Palestinian violence against its citizens, it has a clear option: end the occupation; withdraw to its legal borders; and permit the establishment of a Palestinian state on the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem in the context of a peace settlement based on international law. Bombing Gaza isn't an acceptable substitute for that.

          Now, Palestinians also have a right and a duty to defend themselves, not just from Israeli attacks, but from Israeli military occupation and siege. Unlike Israel, Palestinians have made extensive efforts to defend themselves peacefully, through nonviolent resistance and by repeatedly offering Israel a negotiated settlement to the conflict based on international law - even offering major concessions beyond what international law requires. All that has failed. So the question about what Palestinians are entitled and obliged to do in self-defence is a lot more difficult to answer than it is in the case of Israel. I won't try to answer it in this comment. But the fact that the question is never asked here reveals a lot: both about the biases and hypocrisy of many people here, and, relatedly, about why Palestinian nonviolence has thus far failed to bring about a peaceful settlement.

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