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  •  Many of those (7+ / 0-)

    were southern conservatives who made today's Blue Dogs look like Jim McDermott.

    People panic too much on this site.

    by thematt523 on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 04:11:50 PM PDT

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    •  Against which must be set a fair number (13+ / 0-)

      of North Eastern Republicans who were moderate and realistic about most things.

      Also, that's why FDR made his corrupt racist bargain with the Southern Democratic Senators - he couldn't have passed the New Deal if he had insisted on including blacks in the benefits.

      In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

      by blue aardvark on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 04:25:36 PM PDT

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      •  To your point, Blue Ardvark (9+ / 0-)

        Here's something I brought up in a post the other day to answer to yet another sloppy comparison to FDR, designed to make Obama look bad:

        Social Security was passed with the help of 81 republicans in the house and 16 republicans in the senate.  15 house democrats voted against it and 1 democratic senator voted no.

        Compare and contrast this with Obama's Affordable Healthcare Act where ALL 176 republicans in the house voted no, ALONG WITH 39 democrats, AND ALL Republicans in the senate voted no.

        Obama faces an entirely different landscape in the house and senate than FDR did, even though both had majorities.  Tired of the simple minded memes about Obama's "great majorities" and how he couldn't do a thing with them---while of course totally ignoring the enormous amount of legislation passed despite these obstacles, because they were accomplished with that DIRTY WORD here and on the right---compromise.

        •  Precisely both LBJ and FDR had the benefit (4+ / 0-)

          of Republicans voting for a lot of their proposals. They had some rational Republicans who were not batshit crazy and would be considered Liberal Republicans today.  They did not have the Teabagger contingent and Republicans hell bent on pleasing the Baggers.

          •  ...nor a GOP (2+ / 0-)
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            that is not bashful and in fact, very pumped up to state their number one priority is to bring Obama down---this when the country is in the crisis of the Great Recession.

            It's always assumed in the political process that the Dems want to beat the republicans and visa versa.  But wonder what would have happened directly after 9/11 if the Dems most prominent representatives had obstructed GWB's efforts to fight the Taliban and told America, our number one priority is to get rid of Bush in 2004!  Americans would have been OUTRAGED.  They would have screamed "this is the time to unite for our country!"

            But it seems millions out of work and a GOP party that is auguring to do everything they can to make it worse while the rich get richer---meh.  That's just politics.

            Wake up America!  This is a war too---on the middle class and the poor and that means 98% of us.

          •  Either incompetence or a purposeful action (0+ / 0-)

            If they were so worried about GOP obstruction they could have changed the senate rules to allow a simple majority to pass all legislation.

            That they didn't do it is incomptence in the best case scenario. In the worst case scenario they did it on purpose in order to continually have an excuse for wasting democratic majorities.

            When our deficit warring Republicans say today that they would never approve a tax increase under any condition, the only reasonable response is a hearty laugh, a reference to WWII, and a two-by-four across the brow. - L.Randall Wray

            by skayne on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 12:07:45 PM PDT

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            •  Or... (0+ / 0-)

              They didn't want to operate under a simple majority in the future when they didn't have close to that.

              •  Another excuse that doesn't hold water (0+ / 0-)

                Excuse after excuse, leading to nothing done on the big issues.

                And had they changed the rules and passed progressive legislation, they wouldn't have to worry about losing elections.

                Because the repubs could never defeat a bold, progressive democrat. See FDR.

                When our deficit warring Republicans say today that they would never approve a tax increase under any condition, the only reasonable response is a hearty laugh, a reference to WWII, and a two-by-four across the brow. - L.Randall Wray

                by skayne on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 12:56:25 PM PDT

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        •  Repeat, repeat, repeat (1+ / 0-)
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          ALL Republicans in the senate voted no.

          Even McGovern says he has never seen such a willful destructive opposition before. And the PL in the blogisthan aren't worth even the dust on his shoes.

          One bitter fact is two bit hacks populate the third rate fourth estate who are truly the fifth columnists. So, how did Obama piss you off today ?
          Call the media when they Lie

          by amk for obama on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 12:14:20 PM PDT

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