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  •  hey it's kinda of like all of Obama's policy (3+ / 0-)
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    "there's no way anything good could pass in this congress. why even try? i am powerless!" the irony is DELICIOUS

    •  Suicide is the only opition. (1+ / 0-)
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      . . . from Julie, Julia. "Oh, well. Boo-hoo. Now what?"

      by 88kathy on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 11:42:12 AM PDT

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      •  The next election isn't the only thing to worry me (4+ / 0-)

        You only ever worry about the next election, instead of the steady decline of working people over the last thirty years with Democratic complicity. In 2016 a dem will win the WH, and then offer a plan to save SS by privitization. His plan will so more humane than the republican's plan, and there will convuluted arguments as to why that dem is so brilliant.

        With the current crop of dems, the best you can hope for is the halt of right-wing decline when an Rs in the WH, never its reversal when they gain power.

        We should be in the streets trying to win support for progressive values and only supporting those who will fight to see those values enacted into law.

        Voting for Obama will continue the collaboration with right-wingers in order to reverse the New Deal and Great Society programs.

        When our deficit warring Republicans say today that they would never approve a tax increase under any condition, the only reasonable response is a hearty laugh, a reference to WWII, and a two-by-four across the brow. - L.Randall Wray

        by skayne on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 11:54:27 AM PDT

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        •  So who do you support? (2+ / 0-)
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          . . . from Julie, Julia. "Oh, well. Boo-hoo. Now what?"

          by 88kathy on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 12:12:58 PM PDT

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          •  always this question, as if it has some sort (3+ / 0-)
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            of sharp point. nice rebuttal of absolutely nothing there, by the way.

            i support NO ONE for the 2012 election. i will not vote Republican. i will not vote for Obama. i refuse to endorse his actions and his policy. i've participated in all my local races and will continue to support Dem efforts in WI.

            so, uh, what exactly is your point?

            •  I concur (1+ / 0-)
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              Exactly. I'm not supporting Obama, not voting for any republican for president either.

              I will vote for my senator, Bob Casey, and local dems.

              As I said in another post, the hyperventilating about a teabagger president suspends rationality in order to indulge in a doomsday scenario. They would face opposition from dems. Instead of dems having to support right-wing crap from Obama.

              And a teabagger as president would ensure the WH for a dem in 2016.

              When our deficit warring Republicans say today that they would never approve a tax increase under any condition, the only reasonable response is a hearty laugh, a reference to WWII, and a two-by-four across the brow. - L.Randall Wray

              by skayne on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 12:25:34 PM PDT

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              •  Loud and proud against Obama. (0+ / 0-)

                Quiet and demure for Bob Casey and local Democratic Party.

                . . . from Julie, Julia. "Oh, well. Boo-hoo. Now what?"

                by 88kathy on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 12:32:03 PM PDT

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                •  Undying loyalty to Obama (0+ / 0-)

                  That's right, against Obama, and I stated my reasons. You choose not to address them because of your undying fealty to Obama.

                  Undying loyalty to politicians is a concept I think most people would shudder at.

                  But it's rampant on this site.

                  When our deficit warring Republicans say today that they would never approve a tax increase under any condition, the only reasonable response is a hearty laugh, a reference to WWII, and a two-by-four across the brow. - L.Randall Wray

                  by skayne on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 12:39:45 PM PDT

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                  •  I understand you just don't have time to (0+ / 0-)

                    support Bob Casey and your local Democratic Party.  You are exhausted.  

                    Use what little time you have wisely.  Never plug Bob Casey and the Democratic Party when you can un-plug.  

                    . . . from Julie, Julia. "Oh, well. Boo-hoo. Now what?"

                    by 88kathy on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 12:45:45 PM PDT

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                    •  Citizen action for the people, not politicians (0+ / 0-)

                      I don't have time. I have to earn a living. I would find time to support a true progressive movement, though.

                      Once again, the most important thing in life isn't support for politicians.

                      Other things matter a whole lot more.

                      You should realize that the gains of the 20th century happened because of direct action by citizens.

                      Not stepping in a voting booth and pulling a lever or working for a politician.

                      When our deficit warring Republicans say today that they would never approve a tax increase under any condition, the only reasonable response is a hearty laugh, a reference to WWII, and a two-by-four across the brow. - L.Randall Wray

                      by skayne on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 01:04:32 PM PDT

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                      •  If you get a minute though, be sure to keep (0+ / 0-)

                        publicizing how you are not going to support the head of the Democratic Party.    Anything else just takes too much time and is exhausting.  Voting doesn't work.  Takes too much time.  Direct action now that is what works.  But you are too busy.  So we are screwed.

                        . . . from Julie, Julia. "Oh, well. Boo-hoo. Now what?"

                        by 88kathy on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 01:10:50 PM PDT

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                        •  Understand a few things (0+ / 0-)

                          Do you think workers rights, women's suffrage, civil rights, SS, or Medicare were on the ballot?

                          You really think they got voted in?

                          If you understood any history, you would know that the Democratic Party wasn't the ones to first propose these things.

                          It was determined actions by those groups that led to the Democratic Party adopting some of those proposals in the aftermath of the Great Depression. Those groups didn't get to vote for those things. They mobilized support for their causes, and gained enough popularity to elicit a reaction by Democrats.

                          From the 1870's to the Great Depression the Democrats operated much like they do now. It was people power that got the change Democrats are famous for now.

                          When our deficit warring Republicans say today that they would never approve a tax increase under any condition, the only reasonable response is a hearty laugh, a reference to WWII, and a two-by-four across the brow. - L.Randall Wray

                          by skayne on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 01:48:13 PM PDT

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                          •  Don't do what you must not do for whatever reason (0+ / 0-)

                            please don't let my judgmental smirk spur you to action of any kind.  

                            Argue hard and long for the hopelessness of it all.  

                            Stand still and hold your breath, pass it on.

                            . . . from Julie, Julia. "Oh, well. Boo-hoo. Now what?"

                            by 88kathy on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 04:13:51 PM PDT

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                        •  You do realize that the "head of the Democratic (0+ / 0-)

                          Party" doesn't totally support the Democratic Party, right?

                          Sure, you do.

                          Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I'll tell you what you believe. Meteor Blades

                          by gooderservice on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 04:52:21 PM PDT

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              •  That is too big of a risk (0+ / 0-)
                And a teabagger as president would ensure the WH for a dem in 2016.

                Not necessarily and besides, a teabagger President could really destroy this country in many ways to the point where it could be nearly  impossible for a Democrat to be able to fix it or clean up the mess in 2016.

                Look at what Bush did and the utter devastation and destruction he left behind. The President is still trying to clean up that utter disaster that Bush left behind.

                Bush did so much damage to this country that may not be fixed for years to come. Put another Repub in the WH this soon and that means more destruction and damage that we have to clean up.

                Cleaning up behind Repub Presidents is not easy and it can a long, long time.

              •  I believe that, too. (0+ / 0-)
                And a teabagger as president would ensure the WH for a dem in 2016.

                How in the world will a Democrat being able to run "against" Obama's policies, actions and inactions in 2016?  

                Answer:  They won't be able to.

                So whenever Obama moves more and more to the right, during his second term if he gets one, then what will the Democratic candidates have to run on in 2016?


                I'll continue Obama's right leaning agenda?

                That won't work.

                Obama's got time to turn this all around.  He's got the time to come back and fight for Democratic issues, win or lose.  Lay out a Democratic plan that favors the working people and the poor.  

                Chances that he'll do that?  Nil.

                Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I'll tell you what you believe. Meteor Blades

                by gooderservice on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 04:50:46 PM PDT

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            •  That's easy. The support no one party, who could (0+ / 0-)

              rebut that.  I checked NOUNZS voting record.  Stellar.  Loud and proud against.

              PS good for you, DK is a great place to post your actions in WI.   Quiet and demure for.

              Looking forward to your posts.

              . . . from Julie, Julia. "Oh, well. Boo-hoo. Now what?"

              by 88kathy on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 12:30:53 PM PDT

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              •  you keep saying how loud and proud (0+ / 0-)

                they are "against Obama" and how "quiet and demure" they are for

                I will vote for my senator, Bob Casey, and local dems.

                is voting for someone really that "quiet and demure" of an action to take?

      •  i'm dissapointed (0+ / 0-)

        that i didn't get a bandwidth-hogging music video that nobody would even click on in your reply

        •  So everyone is following this comment thread. (0+ / 0-)

          Guess it's my turn to shine.  What should I say?  I don't know.  How about.  Give up.  Don't vote.  Suicide is the only answer.  Emergency everybody to get from street.  Armageddon.  Mayan Calendar.  The Rapture.  Space aliens.  Remember nothing is better.  

          . . . from Julie, Julia. "Oh, well. Boo-hoo. Now what?"

          by 88kathy on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 12:50:33 PM PDT

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