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  •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

    ...the Islamists are secondary to the hackers? You wouldn't want to make a friendly wager on that point when we see how power is re-apportioned, would you?

    Clay, you haven't even been there yet.

    I don't doubt that you're better informed than most, including me, but I'd be a bit more measured.

    I've been down the road of believing most things revolutionaries told me from afar. I'm not going there again. Nowadays I listen to what's said, but I wait a while to verify more widely before turning it into gospel.

    But these are your stories, and if you want to pitch them so you have no friends left in CCDS, PDA or other groups, that's your business. I just think you're needlessly burning bridges you may need sometime.

    •  I have lost some good friends because I have (0+ / 0-)

      supported the Libyan people and it's revolution. I'm sorry for that but I won't hold my tongue because my friends or political associates either decided to support the dictator or stay "neutral." So be it. It is a question of principal and progress.

      You know Russia Today licensed my film for $7k and expressed interest extending it and also licensing the sequel. Now that I have opposed Qaddafi and criticized RT in my diary, I may have lost income as well as friends. So be it. It is a question of principal and progress.

      I'm sure that during the American civil war a lot of unionists were warned "you have no friends left in ABC, XYZ and other groups" because you supported "intervention." {Remember from the southern pov, it was an invasion.}

      Anytime I am forced to chose between by friends and the people's struggle, I will lose some friends.

      And make new ones. I have a number of Libyan friends now.

      Lastly, I spoke about the role Islamics and hackers have played, based on fact I know and what has already happened. I know there have been many courageous Islamic fighters in the rebel army but I also know the critical role that Libyan hackers have played in insuring communications. If the Islamists had stood down in this struggle, things would have still come to this point, just a little later. If the hackers had stood down, not only would we not be victorious, we wouldn't even know it.

      Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

      by Clay Claiborne on Tue Aug 23, 2011 at 12:12:11 PM PDT

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      •  Wrong point (0+ / 0-)

        You would have a point, Clay, if the people you're dissing were actual Gaddafi supporters.

        But for the most part, by far, they are not. Quite the contrary.

        There's not matter of 'principle' here. It's just that if people don't toe your exact line, you decide to make them your enemies, and then get all pompous about it. Sad.

        •  Do you consider ANSWER pro-Qaddafi? (0+ / 0-)

          Because they are also pissed at me saying they are although I can't see how anyone wouldn't think Qaddafi wasn't just wonderful based on what was said at one of their many heavily promoted events.

          Since Cynthia McKinney has made it her mission right now to promote Qaddafi, I consider anything done now to enhance her creditability as something that enhances the creditability of her message.

          You don't think opposing NATO support for the uprising strengthen Qaddafi's position but I do.

          You don't think directing the attention of the anti-war movement to "massive NATO bombing" and implying that it is just like Iraq when as far as the intensity of the bombing is concerned that is just a complete lie, when Qaddafi is killing at least 10 to 1 doesn't strengthen Qaddafi's position but it does.

          You and others have advocated positions and promoted a specific set of false 'facts' [ with regards to DU, cluster bombs, mercenaries, danger of massacre, etc] that would make it much more likely that Qaddafi succeed in crushing the revolution and slaughtering many more Libyans.

          These are conclusion that I have come to after long and detailed study and so I am not likely to give the opposing opinions of those that have made little more than a shallow survey of the situation much credibility. They need to be able to talk details with me. And having come to these conclusions about the facts, I look at the position of say CCDS and it's presentation of the situation and most importantly it's position and demands from the point of view of the life and death struggle between the dictator and the people and say which side are they on.

          PDA may not be an actual Qaddafi supporter but the stubborn fact remains that last Saturday while Qaddafi was murdering hundreds of civilians in Tripoli, a well known Qaddafi supporter that was there to receive an award from PDA was telling the people invited by PDA that none of what they heard about Qaddafi the mass murder was true and that really brother Qaddafi deserves their support. This while Libyans were dying under his rockets and shells.

          Self-described Qaddafi supporters are drying up very fast now. Even Russia Today TV is talking about the "Libyan dictator."  Soon they too will take unbridged at being considered a Qaddafi supporter.

          Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

          by Clay Claiborne on Thu Aug 25, 2011 at 12:19:03 AM PDT

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