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  •  either their betting on (4+ / 0-)
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    a) The Rapture,

    b)  Their Gated-Communities, and underground Cities,


    c) Their Kids will become Millionaires from all their Lobbyist connections.

    So ... What's the Problem?

    What is necessary to change a person is to change his awareness of himself.
    -- Maslow ...... my list.

    by jamess on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 03:37:59 PM PDT

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    •  Exactly. Gated Communities for Owners, Rapture (4+ / 0-)
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      or at minimum heaven for the rank and file.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 04:14:48 PM PDT

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    •  Their kids (2+ / 0-)
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      will have learned by example from their parents by then won't they? And know how to pull themselves up by their owns bootstraps get a government bailout, won't they? So that they'll be able to teach their own kids by example how to pull themselves up by their owns bootstraps get a government bailout, won't they?

      Antemedius | Liberally Critical Thinking

      by Edger on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 05:06:37 PM PDT

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    •  I wouldn't regard "underground cities" (2+ / 0-)
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      for the wealthy as a safe bet.

      One critical part the third-party contractors (who won't be living there) forgot that's currently readily available at Fry's or Digi-Key breaking down can make that kind of environment as unlivable as the outside world they destroyed and are trying to hide from.

      Did you know that modern personal computers have a use-by date even if operated normally? Hard drives aside, even CPUs wear out under normal use, I'd guess a CPU in a computer purchased last week will on the average, last maybe 10 years. After that, the only fix is replacement.

      A great many PCs would be needed to run the operations side of an underground shelter.

      Basically, if one's life depends on the goods and services supplied by a technological society, if the web that ties the African native with a shovel digging up coltan lumps to the iPad at Circuit City breaks, that person is fucked, and it's only a matter of time before reality catches up.

      The other solution is to be self-reliant and willing to fix problems and create workarounds with one's own hands. Does this sound like the trust fund babies you know of, or the grownup "transnational elite business leaders"?

      Parasites that kill their hosts die.

      Peak Oil is NOW! Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

      by alizard on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 05:21:23 PM PDT

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      •  I suspect (1+ / 0-)
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        we'll all end up in the same sinking boat, eventually.

        Except for maybe the top 10% (smartest) misers,

        in the top 400 richest families.

        They will think far enough ahead,
        to "warehouse" whatever they'll need, for a century.

        Think Bomb Shelters, for Billionaires.

        (Hmmm?  might make for a stellar Business Opportunity ... ?)

        What is necessary to change a person is to change his awareness of himself.
        -- Maslow ...... my list.

        by jamess on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 05:28:04 PM PDT

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        •  what happens after a century? (1+ / 0-)
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          What you described is a REALLY expensive way to die last and have a sucky and declining lifestyle while one lives in hiding.

          The model might work in a generation starship with a crew selected from top people in various practical fields and everyone willing to work their asses off at need. Which will increase rapidly as the years pass, and this also assumes a "virgin territory" that's fit for human life at the end. The worst of the damage done to the world for their profit will take centuries to undo.

          In a group selected for wealthy parents, do you see this kind of expertise and that kind of willingness to work?

          They're screwed sooner or later if no civilization rebuilds, and in that scenario, a return to normal isn't in the cards. That's if everything goes right. If 100 of these things are built, I'd guess 30-40 might be around after a decade, 10 in a generation. Stuff breaks and if the tech who knows how to fix it dies, they're SOL. And the first person who comes down with something serious requiring the services of a top-level hospital ... will die.

          Peak Oil is NOW! Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

          by alizard on Mon Aug 22, 2011 at 06:13:26 AM PDT

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    •  anti-science attitude & "couldn't have predicted" (2+ / 0-)
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      Notice how often you hear Republicans saying "no one could have predicted XYZ."  

      This follows directly from the extreme religious right's bad attitude toward science.

      One of the things science does is give us the ability to make predictions with good estimates as to their degree of certainty.  

      For example NASA could predict to within 1/2 hour, when a robotic space probe would reach Jupiter orbit.  That of course is straightforward Newtonian physics, but chaotic phenomena and quantum-scale phenomena can also be estimated to within useful limits.

      Scientific methods are also applied routinely in national defense, for example in intelligence analysis and military strategy.  Thus even though "no one could have predicted 9/11" in terms of the exact event and timing, the intel community had enough information to pull the fire alarm in a big way in the months leading up to the event, such that an administration that took the warnings seriously would have increased security and prevented the attack.  

      The connection goes like this:

      God is arbitrary and capricious (an attitude that is actually pre-Judaic and pre-Christian: the Jewish prophets and Jesus all preached against this).

      God rewards good behavior and punishes bad behavior.

      If bad things happen, they are part of God's plan, including rewards and punishments.  

      Attempts to use science to make predictions, infringe on God's prerogatives.

      Therefore we should reject not only Godless science, but science's "hubristic" infringement on God's turf.  

      As a result, bad things happening are a sign that we are not sufficiently faithful & righteous, and we should move toward a more Godly form of government (theocracy).

      In short, a demon-haunted world ruled by a primitive deity, converging with the desire of theocrats to impose their will on the whole of human society.  

      That is the attitude, and the set of cultural memes and emotional traits, that we need to overturn.  Or else we are headed for +5 Celsius and a near-extinction event for humanity.

      •  nice analysis G2geek (2+ / 0-)
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        we need to find some "Use Cases" -- demonstrating the phenomena.

        Could make for a Barn-stormer of a Diary, next weekend.

        No body could have foreseen ...

        What is necessary to change a person is to change his awareness of himself.
        -- Maslow ...... my list.

        by jamess on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 05:46:44 PM PDT

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        •  most recently, the state fair stage disaster. (2+ / 0-)
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          Meteorologists were issuing warnings of severe winds for the location where the fair was being held, two hours before the winds hit and destroyed the stage, killing five people.

          There was more than enough time to evacuate.  But they didn't.  "No one could have predicted...."

          Contrast to:  Years ago I went to a REM concert at an outdoor stage in Berkeley CA.  There was a light rain but there were storm clouds around.  After a bit of delay, Michael or someone got on stage and said something along the lines of "the weather forecasters are telling us there's going to be more rain shortly, and our managers don't want us to get electrocuted out here if all those wires start getting wet.  Sorry about this but we have to cancel today, and y'all will get new tickets for the rescheduled concert..."  

          There was a collective groan but then applause, and everyone filed out peacefully.   No one died.   The show was rescheduled and it was great.  

          And that's how rational people, who respect science, deal with weather events.  


          BTW, Jamess, you've lately been doing absolutely fantastic diaries on the two most important issues of our times: the climate crisis and religious extremism.  I'm highly impressed.  There's some other stuff we should discuss one of these days, having to do with resilient community.

          •  thanks for that feedback, G2 (2+ / 0-)
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            Resilient community.

            That does need a blueprint, I suppose,

            not that I'm an much of a "community organizer" lol

            the way my work is going,

            they're a high possibility -- my Govt Programming position

            gets cut in 13 Months.   So their Austerity Plan is now targeting.

            If so, I have plenty of Free Planning Time available.

            Thinking I may start a Data Analysis company or something, like that,  before then. (?)

            PS.  thanks so much for the positive feedback,

            but between you and me, and the members of dKos,

            my writing is about 10% inspiration, 20% Research effort,

            and about 70% Perspiration -- pulling it altogether,

            so that it is half-way readable.

            I like to think my Posts follow the Flintstones Vitamin Model.

            Thought/Facts Nourishment.

            What is necessary to change a person is to change his awareness of himself.
            -- Maslow ...... my list.

            by jamess on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 06:19:22 PM PDT

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