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  •  It's not all crap! While 60 Minutes was (0+ / 0-)

    known for outing fraudulent businesses, they also did reports about people who were abusing disability.

    What about all the doctors and clinics that defraud Medicare and Insurance companies. Many times they need cooperating patients to accomplish their thievery.

    You can't deny that there are people who want to get something for nothing. And it's not just the rich. What about those who don't report a deceased family member who received SS and keep on cashing the monthly checks?

    Being poor doesn't automatically make someone an angel.

    These cheats are thieves. They are taking food out of the mouths of kids and from the deserving...yes, the deserving.

    Progressives will win when we convince a majority that they, too, are Progressive.

    by auapplemac on Tue Aug 23, 2011 at 03:16:35 AM PDT

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    •  Oh yes (0+ / 0-)

      now that 60 minutes says it is true let's all jump on each other and judge who is the true "deserving."  Some disabilities you can't see, for instance you can't see End Stage Renal Disease, or MS until it becomes severe or someone is having a flare up (and there are different levels of it), some cancers you can't see, some mental illness you can see by looking at someone, etc.  

      We have a friend of the family that has bone cancer and you can't see it, he is very sick, but people are asking why he isn't working, blah, blah, blah.

      This is setting people up to be judged and you can't  judge who is deserving and not deserving by eyeing them?  Are you personally able to judge who is deserving and who isn't?  

      One 60 minutes show and now everyone is out to hunt down the cheaters?  All I'm saying is this is opening up deserving people getting hurt by individuals like you who think they can judge who is deserving and who is not.

      If you are digging yourself into a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging!

      by zaka1 on Tue Aug 23, 2011 at 12:42:12 PM PDT

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      •  What about medical records?!! I think renal (0+ / 0-)

        failure just might be detectable along with MS, etc.

        One 60 minutes show and now everyone is out to hunt down the cheaters

        So no one has ever cheated the government or insurance companies?

        Your argument holds as much water as the Sahara.

        Progressives will win when we convince a majority that they, too, are Progressive.

        by auapplemac on Tue Aug 23, 2011 at 09:13:47 PM PDT

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        •  Well (0+ / 0-)

          usually you can't get disability without major medical records and proof of your disability.  Then there are reviews every so often of your condition.  Now, who's argument doesn't hold water.

          I would imagine cheaters get caught more often then not.  I'm not saying that there are not cheaters, but you have no idea what some disabled people go through being judged by others.  

          What you didn't get was the comment I responded to said we should have people report people they think are cheaters, and what I was stating is that some disabilities you might not be able to see that is why they are called hidden disabilities.  You could report someone for cheating when they might honestly be sick and how would you know if you don't have personal access to the medical record?  Answer is you wouldn't.

          If you are digging yourself into a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging!

          by zaka1 on Fri Aug 26, 2011 at 06:38:25 AM PDT

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          •  It's not hidden to Disability (0+ / 0-)

            A disease not easily seen might get reported by a citizen but it would be documented by a Dr.  It's not like disability would simply stop because of a single person's complaint.  Not only has 60 min's and other MSM reported on fraudulent claims but, yes, I knew someone who collected  disability but could have worked and a few who collected unemployment for full terms without looking for work.  Welfare was famous for people having children to collect more $ and staying on the rolls to have healthcare.  I understood the latter but why should someone get Govt healthcare by not working when those of us who are working can't?  That was wrong.  But such abuses make the public sick of the programs and more likely to vote for ending them.  Then the truly disabled, or unemployed, or starving family can't get assistance.

            "Put on your high-heeled sneakers/it's Party time" - Steely Dan.

            by rainmanjr on Sun Aug 28, 2011 at 08:34:45 PM PDT

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    •  This is what (0+ / 0-)

      disabled people get all the time:

      http://youtu.be/...

      If you are digging yourself into a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging!

      by zaka1 on Tue Aug 23, 2011 at 02:40:48 PM PDT

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