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  •  Agreed. Content experts (2+ / 0-)
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    karmsy, Youffraita

    I believe that was the lesson from Finland. You should hire an english major to teach english, a math major to teach math, a physics major to teach physics, and an education major to the administrative side.

    •  This is the very worst sort of stereotyping and (5+ / 0-)

      teacher-bashing, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

      After I retired from my first career, as a mathematician at the Defense Dept., I got certified to teach secondary school and taught in high school for a few years (before moving to a community college). Let me tell you something: being a "subject matter expert" isn't the "solution" (in fact, what exactly do you think the problem is?)

      Most high school math teachers teach algebra and geometry to completely unmotivated adolescents. And the goal of the teaching is to get the students to pass standardized tests (ala NCLB) - the teachers have no say-so in the curriculum. This is an exercise in motivational psychology and adolescent behavior control, not a task that requires a professional mathematician. And even in the higher level AP classes (calculus, diff eq, linear algebra), I found that the teachers had more than enough subject matter mastery to teach the classes well. Yes, their degrees were in education, and they didn't know as much about mathematics as I did, but they knew at least as much and probably more than they needed to. And they certainly knew a lot more about how to teach than I did.

      So I'm sorry you disrespect those fine people and refuse to honor their academic background or their efforts.

      I believe that in every country the people themselves are more peaceably and liberally inclined than their governments. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

      by Blue Knight on Thu Aug 25, 2011 at 09:50:07 AM PDT

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        ed school undergraduates are usually aiming to teach younger grades.  Content area teachers get bachelors degrees in their content area, so they show up in the other bands of the graph.

        Politics is the art of changing what's possible.

        by happymisanthropy on Thu Aug 25, 2011 at 10:38:59 AM PDT

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      •  I disagree that comments above yours (0+ / 0-)

        constituted "teacher bashing." But yours is an interesting comment in other respects, so I'm tipping it.

        No, being an expert in the subject matter won't make you as a teacher, all by itself. It takes organization, a sense of appropriate pacing and timing, and the ability to tap into the psychology of your students. Teachers acquire these faculties through experience (if acquire them at all). Don't know how you can imply that academic "education" training, per se, should give teachers the classroom skills they need.

        It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

        by karmsy on Thu Aug 25, 2011 at 11:01:30 AM PDT

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