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  •  Who's the 60th vote? (1+ / 0-)
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    If the bill doesn't pass, you've done nothing and have a millstone around your neck and target on your back if you vote yea in a swing district in a bad year.  And it wouldn't have passed no matter how "early" you propose it.  You should second guess your second guessing, also.

    "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

    by Loge on Sat Aug 27, 2011 at 07:24:26 AM PDT

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    •  51st vote, you mean (0+ / 0-)

      You only need 51 votes (including Biden) to pass anything in the Senate.  Remember, 51 votes abolishes the filibuster, at any time.

      I'm willing to believe we only have 49 or fewer actual Democrats in the Senate, but I'd like you to stop spreading 60-vote bullshit.

      Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

      by neroden on Sat Aug 27, 2011 at 12:02:03 PM PDT

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    •  Don't think you'd need 60. (0+ / 0-)

      Since this would be a vote affecting the budget and the deficit, it could be passed using reconciliation, in much the same manner as the Bush tax cuts were passed.  So I don't think this is so much second guessing as suggesting an alternate means of proceeding.  

      Of course, if your argument is that there did not exist Democratic majorities in either house of Congress for increasing taxes on the wealthy while preserving tax cuts for the remaining 98% of the population, well, then one might reasonably question whether the Democrats are truly committed to progressive taxation.  If they aren't, then they've given up on what used to be one of their fundamental principles.  

      Finally, if Democratic politicians (even those in "swing districts") are incapable of making the case for getting the rich to pay their fair share, then they're guilty of political incompetence.  Polling shows support for increasing taxes on the wealthy across all political persuasions.  Even a majority of Republicans favor increasing taxes on the rich in preference to cutting social insurance programs.  In that kind of political environment, it should be an easy sale.  But first you have to want to sell it.

      "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

      by FogCityJohn on Sun Aug 28, 2011 at 01:35:32 PM PDT

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