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  •  Did you study Calvanism in high school history? (1+ / 0-)
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    kevin k

    Are you saying that such a doctrine was never preached from the pulpit where you attended church?  I never heard Calvinist principles preached from the pulpit in Virginia, but my mother stopped attending a church in another state because they preached predestination.  Our personal experience doesn't always give us the whole picture.  

    •  No, that's not what I said (0+ / 0-)

      I acknowledged that it the doctrine exists and, surely, some people are aware of it. But, I've seen no evidence that it is widely known or publicly discussed sufficiently to influence on Christian churches and Texas politics.  The diary provides no evidence, either, for making the leap from "this doctrine exists" to "this doctrine is responsible for today's attitudes toward the poor."

      •  I disagree. I attended a performance/fundraiser (1+ / 0-)
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        Tam in CA

        at a church for a woman who lacked health insurance to care for her life-threatening condition.  We were informed that even though she lacked health insurance, it was not because she was an unworthy person--implying that most who lack health insurance are unworthy.  I've heard this attitude expressed again and again in my area of the deep south, by people who profess strong religious convictions.  That is that the poor are poor because they are unworthy and unworthy because they are poor.

        •  I still don't see a connection (0+ / 0-)

          with the specific doctrine you mentioned.  What you keep giving me is speculation, not facts.

          •  They said that this woman, really (0+ / 0-)

            did deserve help even though she didn't have her own health insurance.  I'm not sure how much more factual you can get than that.  "American Grace" by Putnam and Campbell will be more current and  factual, but doesn't directly investigate the influences of Calvinism on American political thought.  You would have to read works by Max Weber, a sociologist and political economist for the effect Calvinism has had on the philosophy of capitalism.  You have to seek out facts--they won't seek you out.

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