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  •  Many good points in this posting, Clay (0+ / 0-)

    I agree that Libya is the most advanced of all the Arab Spring countries in the process of shedding authoritarian or tyrannical rule.

    there are people who refuse to give any credence to the peoples of the Middle East, to Libyans or Tunisians or Syrians or Egyptians.

    It can't be possible they are playing a big role, even a decisive role in these struggles.

    If you watch Russia Today, you would think NATO is implementing a plan to push Russians out. if you look at the Chinese sources, you would see they were anxious not to be hostages and moved their personnel out.

    Everybody has gripes. Even the US turned over its playbook and went back to opposing Quaddafi as if was  1970 to 2003 all over again.  They weren't sure he would lose, but they hedged their bets all right.

    Funny how a clearcut cause that seizes the energy and imagination and all the effort possible means good fighters are trained up quickly, while a mercenary and reluctant army takes 9 or 10 years and even then is in doubt. See Afghanistan and Iraq and the South Vietnamese Army of the post Dien Bien Phu period.

    The news report in the WashPo and elsewhere is suggesting some disorder and anarchy that could use a more muscular US presence (hinted).  That to me confirms this "ownership" and who wants it.

    The AfriCom efforts and integration into a US ring of bases if possible which was appearing to be developing under Quaddafi  is still in flux and probably the subject of a lot of intrigue in the next weeks and months. So kicking him to the curb also disrupts those plans for "controlling" Africa of the hawks.  Remember they need a clear channel, a compliant client to make it go. The Libyans are not welcoming bases and projecting power for a foreigner's designs and projects.

    •  Gadaffi rejected Africom (1+ / 0-)
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      http://news.bbc.co.uk/...
      Monday, 18 February 2008

      US shifts on Africom base plans

      Gen William Ward - Africom commander
      Gen William Ward said Africom's intent had been misunderstood
      The US military has decided to keep the base of its new Africa Command in Germany for now, after only one African nation, Liberia, offered to host it.
      ...
      African doubts

      Nigerian President Umaru Yar'Adua announced in November that he would not allow his country to host an Africom base and that he was also opposed to any such bases in West Africa.

      South Africa and Libya have also voiced strong reservations.

      Only Liberia, which has historic links to the US, has offered to host it.

      There has been concern that Africom is really an attempt to protect US oil and mineral interests in Africa, amid growing competition for resources from Asian economies, says the BBC's Alex Last in the Nigerian capital Abuja.

      http://www.semp.us/...
      What is AFRICOM?
      Biot Report #590: February 02, 2009    

      AFRICOM (also known as United States Africa Command and USAFRICOM) is the newest U.S. Department of Defense unified combatant command—that is, a command composed of forces from two or more military services and a broad and continuing mission.
      ...
      Africa Responds to AFRICOM

      American efforts to headquarter AFRICOM or locate forces at bases in Africa have met with resistance, with exceptions, such as Liberia. “Regional superpowers Nigeria and South Africa have refused to give the U.S. permission to establish AFRICOM on their soil, and they have warned their neighbors to do the same. Morocco, Algeria, and Libya, too, have reportedly refused U.S. requests to base AFRICOM forces in their countries.” (37) Why is that? “If there was to be an influx of armed forces into one or other of the African countries, that might affect the relations between the sister countries and not encourage an atmosphere and a sense of security,” summarized former South African Defense Minister Mosiuoa “Terror” Lekota. He warned, “It would be better for the United States not ‘come and make a presence and create uncertainty here.’” (37-38)


             

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