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  •  Yep as in you agree with RW repugs? (1+ / 0-)
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    Southside

    Weren't you hyperventilating that the payroll tax holiday was an attempt to destroy social security?

    Good to know there is "no daylight" between you, the other "true progressives" and the far RW Repugs.

    •  Don't be silly. I don't agree with the payroll tax (5+ / 0-)

      cut, but I'm aware that it would've been opposed anyway by Republicans.

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      by slinkerwink on Fri Aug 26, 2011 at 11:23:07 AM PDT

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      •  But there's no rational Keynesian reason for (1+ / 0-)
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        opposing it.  The only reason you oppose it is the same reason the RW Repugs oppose it -- the assumption that Obama is teh evuhl!!!

        •  Actually, no, it's because it undermines (10+ / 0-)

          Social Security's financial standing. Republicans oppose the payroll tax cut because they don't want to help Obama. If you can't see how different that is, then I can't help you.

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          by slinkerwink on Fri Aug 26, 2011 at 11:34:32 AM PDT

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        •  Braying asininity. (4+ / 0-)

          The reason to oppose this tax cut is because it's just plain wrong. It's bad policy, bad politics and bad economics. Sure, the Thugs oppose it for all the wrong reasons, but why would anyone expect anything different from them?

          The payroll tax "holiday" (which makes sound really nice) is intended to defund Social Security. So any shortfalls have to come from the General Fund, which ties it to the deficit. So if you support trashing Social Security, which you obviously do, then this policy makes sense for you. You clearly want to make old people dine on pet food, economically rape their children who have to make up any additional costs and screw the economy down the road. Good for you!

          But for those of us who actually care about our future and the economy which will either support or trash it, then the only rational thing to do is oppose this bullshit policy. Not to agree with the Thugs, or even to oppose POTUS, but to oppose the policy on its own terms.

          So thank you for standing up for destroying social insurance in this country. You've made yourself loud and obnoxiously clear on this matter.

          I'm sure you also support raising the retirement age, destroying Medicare and Medicaid and anything else that actually does any good in this country. Awesome!

          •  I am NOT in favor of raising the retirement age (2+ / 0-)
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            or of destroying Medicare or Medicaid. But the payroll tax we are talking about is the tax that funds SS. If one of the best arguments for tearing SS down is that it isn't self-funding, then how does reducing its self-funding help save it?

            I agree -- there are better ways to reduce taxes on low and middle-income people than to provide one more argument to disassemble SS.

            I also agree -- republicans oppose extending the current payroll tax rate because they oppose Obama, and coincidentally they oppose low and middle-income people.

            "The Greek word for idiot, literally translated, means one who does not participate in politics. That sums up my conviction on the subject." Sen. Gladys Pyle (1890-1989)

            by Melanie in IA on Fri Aug 26, 2011 at 12:07:51 PM PDT

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            •  I was responding to HamdenRice (1+ / 0-)
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              So I don't disagree with you at all. HR supports tearing down SS, Medicare and Medicaid, so I responded to that.

              The only thing the Thugs are proving, aside from the fact they are emotionally stunted assholes, is something similar to, "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day." That's really about it and I don't think they warrant much attention beyond that.

              If Democrats want to push economically destructive policies, I guess that's their business, but no one should be surprised when it turns out they've just handed the GOP a legitimate line of attack. I can't help that. If the Dems put SS on the chopping block, would anyone be surprised to see the GOP attacking Dems from the friggin' left on that? That's just how absurd all this has become.

              Next year, some Thugs are going to run completely dishonest, craven ads that will also have the unintended benefit of having a kernal of truth in them: The Democrats want to destroy Social Security and Medicare.

              Again, only Party leadership can fix that problem by not giving the Thugs that talking point. But so far, they're making that talking point truer every day. I'm not sure how the Democratic Leadership can manage to shoot themselves in the electoral foot any more than they have thus far, but it seems like I'm in for more surprises on that front.

              This is genuine, Down The Rabbit Hole kind of stuff. Both parties are engaged in destructive policies and the entire debate is about whose policies are actually worse. There is no room for productive policy-making in the current government. None whatsoever.

              It's disturbing.

    •  it was. (0+ / 0-)

      But apparently Obama has found a way to get the GOP to back off that stance.

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