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  •  He was as much a sellout as this prez. (5+ / 0-)

    My parents, strong FDR Democrats, were horribly disappointed in the compromise for SS eligibility and nearly left him over the incarceration of Japanese-Americans into internment camps.

    But in the end of course, they did not.

    RIP, parents, President Obama now has a healthcare program on the books and we will keep on it.

    "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

    by Sybil Liberty on Sun Aug 28, 2011 at 08:51:54 AM PDT

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    •  "For all have sinned, and fallen short...." n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      The so-called "rising tide" is lifting only yachts.

      by Egalitare on Sun Aug 28, 2011 at 09:48:57 AM PDT

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    •  "health" "care" "reform" = social security? (5+ / 0-)
      RIP, parents, President Obama now has a healthcare program on the books and we will keep on it.

      no sentient, rational, honest person would ever equate a backstop against old-age starvation with an inherently immoral for-profit industry acting outside antitrust laws, intruding on doctor-patient relationships, and condemning hundreds of thousands to death by spreadsheet.

      "I'm all for pragmatism just as long as it's not just a slight pitstop on the road to hell." - TJ, 11.30.10

      by output on Sun Aug 28, 2011 at 10:44:19 AM PDT

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      •  clearly you missed my point entirely... (1+ / 0-)
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        no sentient, rational, honest person would ever equate a backstop against old-age starvation with an inherently immoral for-profit industry acting outside antitrust laws, intruding on doctor-patient relationships, and condemning hundreds of thousands to death by spreadsheet.

        Right. No more than FDR's initial SS program would equate to an authentic program that would alleviate the suffering for all demographics of Americans. The safety-net as it was written in 1933 excluded roughly 1/3 of Americans.

        No more than HST's failed attempt NHI program would have achieved what you demand.

        Obama is the first president to successfully pass an imperfect bill and get it on the books. The rest is up to us.

        That would include you.

        "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

        by Sybil Liberty on Sun Aug 28, 2011 at 11:42:50 AM PDT

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        •  asdf. first of all, i don't buy your premise, i.e. (1+ / 0-)
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          The rest is up to us.

          That would include you.

          that the HCR law is a good start. it's not. it is a huge step in the wrong direction, enshrining into law the deeply flawed and immoral status quo on health care financing. and by now it should be obvious that Obama didn't think that it was a good start towards a progressive policy. the proof is in the pudding: what has he done to try to improve the bill since its passage? or to garner support for future progressive changes to HCR? if he didn't really want that corrupt bill to pass, if he actually favored something progressive like Medicare for all, he and his followers at OFA have been doing a great job hiding it.

          but ssecond, and more importantly, how dare you tell me what i have to do. this is a representative democracy. i helped to get this guy elected, and all i got for my trouble was one neoliberal-flavored shit sandwich after another. we would not be in this fix if Obama and the dems actually represented democrats (and the republicans and independents who make up the 60-70% of americans who wanted single payer.

          "I'm all for pragmatism just as long as it's not just a slight pitstop on the road to hell." - TJ, 11.30.10

          by output on Sun Aug 28, 2011 at 04:22:29 PM PDT

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